Another good reason to put up housing for mason bees and bumblebees. We haven't been able to rely on honey bees for pollination for years now. It's mites that are the problem here.
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Einstein's apocalyptic vision coming true?
by SWALKER in"if the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left.
no more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man.
" ~albert einstein .
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old lurker new poster,
by gonga iniwas baptised in 1984 and have never felt like i belonged in jw land .have felt ashamed ,guilty, and worthless for 23 yrs .. i could never do it all.i havent been to a meeting in 6mos.but i have been reading these posts ,and i found out the jw .
make every one feel as i do.
what a relief it,s not my fault .
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Welcome to the board, gonga. You definitely aren't alone.
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wish me luck!!!
by IP_SEC inon winning the power ball tonight .
i'll share with everyone who wishes me luck .
when i win .
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Good luck, IP_SEC!
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Count-Down 9: The Meaning of Life
by Amazing ini can recall a number of jw articles talking about the meaning of life - of course that meant doing something the watchtower said would make you happy, like selling magazines door to door .
i love what my oldest son once said: "i don't look for the meaning of life ... rather ... i create my own meaning.
" that is my son.
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Jim,
I agree with you, there's a huge difference between worship and serve. Where I think the distinction becomes blurred is between worship and 'know, love and serve'. But, as you said yourself, one can be said to worship their spouse.
Thank you for taking the time to explain more fully what you meant. I think I have a better picture of where you are coming from now.
LOL @ your last statement. Indeed, personal experience can be debated endlessly.
Sincerely,
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edited to add: Sorry, Jim. I went back and reread my first comment and I failed to put the "know and love" before the serve. No wonder you were confused at what I was trying to say. It never pays to post in a hurry. -
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Count-Down 9: The Meaning of Life
by Amazing ini can recall a number of jw articles talking about the meaning of life - of course that meant doing something the watchtower said would make you happy, like selling magazines door to door .
i love what my oldest son once said: "i don't look for the meaning of life ... rather ... i create my own meaning.
" that is my son.
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Hi Jim,
Sorry to keep bugging you with this, but may I point out that you were the one doing "the straining", I'm saying quit straining - there's no difference. All I asked in the beginning is "what is the difference?"
It sounded like a distinction with no distinction to me. If you would've come back with the statement, that's just my personal gut feeling inside - fine. But it came across sounding more like pronouncements of facts rather than personal ramblings. To me, pronouncements are invitations to questioning.
My comments that you felt were over-the-top were in relation to your definition of "worship" (which the Catholic Church supposedly doesn't teach) Quote: "Highest form of devotion to someone to the exclusion of others". Monotheism is the devotion of the Biblical God to the exclusion of all other gods. Christian marriage is the joining of oneself to another to the exclusion of all others. At least, that's what I've been told. So, the natural progression of thought is that, if you feel all of this is not taught by the Catholic Church then they must teach the opposite.
And, why I said it was a flawed analogy is because (aside from what's stated above) although we may serve our bosses, we don't usually "know, love and serve them". If you still don't understand what I'm getting at, I'd like to suggest maybe going back and rereading what you wrote at the beginning.
Anyway, that is all I'm going to say on the matter. I will now leave you alone to your peace. (Unless you provoke me badly in a reply) ;) I do understand that what comes from "the Church" is not necessarily what's believed. In the same way, what comes down from the WTS is not what's necessarily known or believed by the average JW.
Sincerely,
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Women Fall In Love With What They Hear.......
by new boy inmen in what they see..............true or false?
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I think it's just another generalization that is going to seem true in enough cases for people to point the finger and say, see! Just like the daily horoscope.
I've seen women who were actually quite homely, but had the ability to flatter men. They were never short of admirers. Men are VERY susceptible to flattery. We all like what makes us feel good.
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Count-Down 9: The Meaning of Life
by Amazing ini can recall a number of jw articles talking about the meaning of life - of course that meant doing something the watchtower said would make you happy, like selling magazines door to door .
i love what my oldest son once said: "i don't look for the meaning of life ... rather ... i create my own meaning.
" that is my son.
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Jim, I did understand that the main point of your post is about taking control of our own lives. There's alot of truth in what your son said. But, if you didn't wish to discuss any other issue, why did you make half your original post a shameless plug for the superiority of Catholic worship?
Your analogies for the difference between worshiping and serving are flawed. Unless, of course, you're trying to say that Catholics are polytheists and believe in 'open marriages'. Also, it's not; 'worship' compared to 'serve'. It's 'worship' compared to 'love and serve'. Huge difference.
Now that I'm home from work I'm able to dig out the pertinent volumes from my 'New Catholic Encyclopedia'
According to it, Catholics (indeed, all Christians) worship God. There are five pages on the subject. pg. 1030,31 Vol. 14 it says in part, "The function of worship is, in the first place, to make the Sacred present in the awareness of the worshiper or the worshiping community, as the power of being that safeguards, perserves, renews, or rejuvenates existence, not only in man, society, and mankind, but also in nature and the universe. By making the Holy present, or by recognizing and celebrating the reality of its presence in the world, worship is instrumental also in maintaining the cosmic order as the conditio sine qua non of life and salvation. etc, etc."
In one of the supplements (I only looked in one) there is another page on the subject of worship. On pg. 722 of Vol. 17 it says, "Worship, the act of recognizing the worth of God (the Holy; the Absolute) and the ritual expression of this recognition, is traditionally deemed a part of religion. Religion, in general, is the perceived and accomplished relationship of man to God. ...... For Christian worship the ontology of the Church as Communion is decisive (see Church and Communio)."
If you wish to read all the information in whole, I'm willing to scan them and post them on photobucket. Or, you can just look up the subject in the Catholic Encyclopedia yourself.
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Matt. 10:34-42 Proves the JWs Are the True Religion
by Undecided inchrist came with a sword to break up families if they don't follow the line.
he is all that matters.
you have to reject your families if they don't follow jesus(jehovah according to jws) so this proves they are right.
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Hi Keith,
This is a 'tongue-in-cheek' thread. Nobody that's posted yet thinks that the JWs are the True Religion.
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Matt. 10:34-42 Proves the JWs Are the True Religion
by Undecided inchrist came with a sword to break up families if they don't follow the line.
he is all that matters.
you have to reject your families if they don't follow jesus(jehovah according to jws) so this proves they are right.
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Yes, my Aunt (Catholic) shunned her son when he started 'living in sin'. And when my Uncle finally converted to Catholicism it put a division between him and his mother.
This is a very uncomfortable scripture for christians to try and explain. Although, the JWs did seem to use this scripture alot.
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Count-Down 9: The Meaning of Life
by Amazing ini can recall a number of jw articles talking about the meaning of life - of course that meant doing something the watchtower said would make you happy, like selling magazines door to door .
i love what my oldest son once said: "i don't look for the meaning of life ... rather ... i create my own meaning.
" that is my son.
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Definition of worship from the 'Oxford English Dictionary'; 1 a homage or reverence paid to a deity, esp. in a formal service. b the acts, rites, or ceremonies of worship. 2 adoration or devotion comparable to religious homage shown towards a person or principle (the worship of wealth; regarded them with worship in their eyes). 3 archaic worthiness, merit; recognition given or due to these; honour and respect.
Where does grovelling come into this? I never grovelled when I was a JW.
Cellist