Posts by amac

This letter is a joke. Who is on the committee? Any committee formed by Bill will be seen as being outside of "God's Organization" and hold no religous authority over the GB. Even if the R&F are stirred up, the GB will simply say they have arranged a judicial committee of their own. Since all proceedings are private, nothing will be revealed.

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DO YOU SWEAR MORE THAN BEFORE???

by minimus in

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one of my best friends, an ex-elder, swears alot.

years ago i never would have sworn.

but they say bad assocaiation spoils useful habits, so what the -----.

amac

I agree with the likes of Blondie and Dutchie on this topic. Although, I may use an expletive simply as an exclamation, I rarely use them in discussion. I would much rather work on my vocabulary than use swear words as a crutch, which is all I see them as.

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Asking For Evidence=Scorn & Ridicule?

by Valis in

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i've been trying to maintain a middle ground amid all the threads where certain allegations of abuse have been questioned and i have a couple questions for everyone and a few observations.

first is asking for evidence of abuse tanamount to scorn and ridicule?

are outward manifestations of abuse enought to convince you?

amac

However, saying you can't believe it, that it's bullshit, that she is wacky,

I think it is reasonable to say you can't believe it, because this forum does not allow someone to verify the stories of other people. And anyone posting their experience or story should realize that. They should not expect people to believe them simply because they say it happened. You are right, though, about coming to the judgement that she is full of bullshit or wacky or any other similar conclusion. I didn't realize this has happened.

In addition to all of this, not only was an experience of victimization made, but a serious public accusation. This is inappropriate unless you are prepared to take the accusation to the proper authorities who CAN hear both parties, investigate and verify the facts. Otherwise it is slander.

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PANDORA is a hottie.

by Crazy151drinker in

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truthseeker and i are going to add her to our wish we could rub on that dub list.. speaking of dubs i like to rub, where in the hell is chevy??

anybody seen that girl lately???.

amac

You guys are such wild sex rebels!!! Woo Hoo!!! Party animals!!! You're so wacky, crazy, wild! Total players!

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VERY SAD! MR DRAGON

by hamptonite21 in

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it is amazing how far feched and distorted somepeoples views are.

what do you think of dragons post from beyond the watchtower?

can someone else take a stab at this one, im curious to see you thoughts on his post.

amac

Dragon,

I'm glad Hamptonite posted your post. I am in full agreement with you. I live in a state that already requires reporting by clergy, California, and I am happy about that. If everyone involved with Silentlambs is concerned about children getting molested, it baffles me why they don't lobby to get the laws changed in their own state. Maybe, they are and just don't post about it as much as marchs, press conferences, etc, I dunno.

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Asking For Evidence=Scorn & Ridicule?

by Valis in

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i've been trying to maintain a middle ground amid all the threads where certain allegations of abuse have been questioned and i have a couple questions for everyone and a few observations.

first is asking for evidence of abuse tanamount to scorn and ridicule?

are outward manifestations of abuse enought to convince you?

amac

First is asking for evidence of abuse tanamount to scorn and ridicule?

No. It seems to me to be the fair thing to do.

Are outward manifestations of abuse enought to convince you?

That they were abused? Yes. That someone in particular did it? No.

If the statute of limitations has not expired is not proof enough the fact that so many have stepped up and have/are trying to sue the WTBTS and respective congregations?

Don't quite understand this one.

If the abuse was so long ago, say 40-50 years ago how does one gague the veracity of said claims?

That seems like it would be tough to do. But I would not take that upon myself, I would let authorities handle this and rely on their decision. It is far from a perfect solution, but it is better than any I can offer.

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Asking For Evidence=Scorn & Ridicule?

by Valis in

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i've been trying to maintain a middle ground amid all the threads where certain allegations of abuse have been questioned and i have a couple questions for everyone and a few observations.

first is asking for evidence of abuse tanamount to scorn and ridicule?

are outward manifestations of abuse enought to convince you?

amac

Are we now judges & jury, police & psych. advisors, rape counselors?

But there's absolutely no way in hell would I ever justify my childhood rapes to your acceptance/denial.

Waiting posted the above and I am in agreement, but coming from a different angle. I have no position or desire to verify or judge whether someones claim to victimization is true or not (unless I know them personally.) However, if people want to relate their personal experiences on a board that is fine. I will not judge them either way, as being true or false. However, if they were to accuse someone by name, the same would still apply. I am in no position to judge the accused, and just as the victim would not want me to judge them, they should not expect me to judge the person they accuse.

It is even sillier when others chime in with other remarks to corraborate, like "you can take it from me, that guy is a perv!" as if that is some conclusive evidence that should be accepted. Of course, this all seems to be rooting from the claims about Ted Jaracz. If someone wants to claim he is an abuser, that's fine, go to the authorities or someone who can investigate it. Don't tell it to the public and expect them to take your word for it simply because you are the victim.

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I got a report on the March!!

by Mulan in

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a friend at the march, just called me to tell me how the march is going.

it's not raining and hasn't rained!!

nearly 3 hours into it, and it is still going.

amac

Why not have faith in silentlambs and Bill and Pat and the attorneys backing them?

Because I don't personally know these people, so I have no reason to put faith in them.

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I got a report on the March!!

by Mulan in

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a friend at the march, just called me to tell me how the march is going.

it's not raining and hasn't rained!!

nearly 3 hours into it, and it is still going.

amac

The victim doesn't have to prove it to us (and not in a civil case either). When a civil suit is filed, the "burden of proof" is on the defense to prove it is NOT true, not the other way around.

I'm sorry Grits, but I believe you are wrong. Although the burden of proof isn't as difficult as a criminal case where the prosecutors must provide proof "beyond a reasonable doubt", there still is a level of proof needed. In a civil lawsuit, the plaintiff's case must be proved by a preponderance of evidence, meaning that the plaintiff must convince the judge or jury that his or her version of the facts is more likely than not and that he or she is entitled to judgment. This degree of proof is sometimes called presenting a prima facie case, or "crossing the 51 percent line", because the plaintiff must outprove the defendant by more than half the evidence.

So just because someone yells out a claim at a march, doesn't mean it is true until the accused proves otherwise. Unless she is willing to take this to either civil or criminal charges, I have to assume it is not true.