Posts by bisous

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Terrorist backlash - and so it starts

by katiekitten in

my mum lives next door to a little newsagents shop run by an asian family.

i used to live there, and i had the phone number of mr badat because sometimes people used to try and break in.

mr badat died last year and a younger moslem family took over.

bisous

Carol,

Revisionism takes many forms. Especially for Americans of today. Let's see, if it is the 2nd kidnapping then it is not a kidnapping eh?

If you think in my response to your comments on my post I actually believed I could teach a lesson with so short a summary, well ... so be it. It is funny how plain facts can be twisted or rewritten in most any way possible. You overlooked the main point of my response, which had nothing to do as to why immigrants come to America, but about their allegiances once here (based on your question about citizenship).

But of course, you've now put me in my place and I suppose in your view taught me a lesson or 2 hmmm?

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Terrorist backlash - and so it starts

by katiekitten in

my mum lives next door to a little newsagents shop run by an asian family.

i used to live there, and i had the phone number of mr badat because sometimes people used to try and break in.

mr badat died last year and a younger moslem family took over.

bisous

Carol -

I don't support the war. I don't believe this war is what it is touted to be ... "Supporting American Freedom", I believe that is a crock of bull#$*! While I pity those who were preyed upon and sold a bill of goods, joining the military to try to advance themselves (the majority being young folks from poor circumstances who hope to improve their situation by first commiting to some military duty) ... many of those there are there because they wanted to be and have bought in to the propaganda being pushed upon them, such as they are performing some glorious duty comparable to WWII veterans.

As far as the media, well ... the majority of the media are controlled by the same conservative right wing corporate conglomerates that fund our politicians ... that is why most Americans are so misled. They will gladly sit by and lap up the bland pap served up to them by their president and his cronies. After all, our government doesn't lie to its people, right?

Hmmm...let's think about that ... Iran-Contra, Watergate, Vietnam, Enron, Lewinsky, Cuba, umm .... and it is the newspapers that are lying to us? they are our culprits, eh?

As to your question of citizenship ... while yes you are a *citizen* of where you are born...look to history to answer your question. With the exception of African Americans who were kidnapped and brought here against their will (another fine example of our heritage) ... immigrants and their first generation offspring typically do retain some level of allegiance to their country of origin ... and retain ties as well. Whether Irish, Italian, German, British in earlier years ... or Asian cultures later on, allegiance and commitment to the relatives that remain, as well as language, religious faith, etc. remains. Many come here to escape the persecution of a recently installed government or such and long to return to their homelands. Even if they are happy and settled here, to look across the waters and seeing they former countrymen being persecuted, bombed, occupied and such can stir up strong emotions. Wait until it happens to us or our offspring in generations to come. If history teaches us nothing else, it teaches us that all governments and ruling societies are ultimately ephemeral.

Look, I don't support terroristic acts by anyone. Not the so called insurgents. Not Americans or others attempting to impose their political views and approaches on other countries through an illegal war, especially when we've all been lied to about the real motivation that led us there.

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Dansk is in the hospital --- emails from Claire

by Alleymom in

jw
friends

dansk (ian) is in the hospital.

as you know, he posted to us on wednesday morning (after the tuesday night vigil) saying that he felt very bad.

claire ended up having to go home from work because he was feeling so weak and having some trouble breathing.. here are her emails.

bisous

all my best wishes for progress and restored health, kim

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Terrorist backlash - and so it starts

by katiekitten in

my mum lives next door to a little newsagents shop run by an asian family.

i used to live there, and i had the phone number of mr badat because sometimes people used to try and break in.

mr badat died last year and a younger moslem family took over.

bisous

RB--

I'm not painting us as the bad guy. We ARE the bad guy. Our government and military have done a fine job in creating that reality, they certainly don't need me to paint anything.

It isn't about Iraqis thinking for themselves. Of course they abhor the suicide bombers. I'm certain a large percentage of them abhor who allowed them to come, and who appears incapable of stopping them once the door was opened.

You'd be hard-pressed to find any news stories about Muslims being beaten or abused like they are now in London.

The Washington Post differs with your statement:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/11/AR2005051101901.html

Many of these crimes don't receive widespread coverage because the media is basically controlled by the same idiots who run our country currently.

You may choose to be a war apologist. I do not.

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Terrorist backlash - and so it starts

by katiekitten in

my mum lives next door to a little newsagents shop run by an asian family.

i used to live there, and i had the phone number of mr badat because sometimes people used to try and break in.

mr badat died last year and a younger moslem family took over.

bisous

We bombed the bee-jesus out of their country, masses of civilian casualties ... opened up their land to terrorist-types from all over, itching to perform unsavory acts on any and all .... Now we read daily 10s, 20s, 30s, etc and more killed by bombs and such ...

who do you think looks the bigger terrorist in their eyes?? we (US) have had .. what ? 1700 - 1800 casualties? Iraq has had what?? 100,000 casualties?

I also heard reported that there have already been more than 100 backlash attacks in UK since the initial bombings.

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What Can You Tell Me About Scientology??

by minimus in

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friends

since tom cruise has really pushed his "religion", i have to admit, i don't know much about it.

can you give some facts about it?

bisous

I wonder if these celebrities belong to the "Sea Org" described in the links I posted earlier? I also wonder if they are raising their children in the same manner as described by ex-members ... sending them to these sub-groups, etc.?

hmmm ....

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What Can You Tell Me About Scientology??

by minimus in

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friends

since tom cruise has really pushed his "religion", i have to admit, i don't know much about it.

can you give some facts about it?

bisous

Actually, taking the time to read some of the facts presented via the links I posted is both interesting and saddening. If what is presented there is true, their cult is as destructive as the JW cult. scary.

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A newbie's impression on this board, pros and cons

by smelly onions in

cons.

i don't know who is scarier, the jw's or some people on this board.

man, r u guys bitter?

bisous

Speaking for myself, I appreciate and accept your apology. It isn't easy to admit a mistake, so thank you. I encourage you to stick around and get to know folks. There are a vast array of outlooks, opinions, perceptions, lifestyles represented. Some of us may be bitter regarding our WT experiences ... but that doesn't mean we are bitter about everything. I'm sure you'll learn a few things, and hopefully teach a couple as well.

Edited to add: I'll even go so far as to say I agree with Smelly's point about how many of the horrible things that happen in the JW organization can happen in any religion, cult, or walk of life. So statistically speaking, we could have had the same experience without JWs. The fact remains that there is non-profit organization, WT, whose teachings and practices allow for abuse which they turn a blind eye to. So in fact they ARE ultimately responsible for what happens within. And that is why so many here are bitter and hate the WT. Not because we are naive about what happens all over, but because we are insisting upon specific accountability. No different than what I insist from Catholicism, Scientology, Mormons, Boy Scouts or other organized institiutions.

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A newbie's impression on this board, pros and cons

by smelly onions in

cons.

i don't know who is scarier, the jw's or some people on this board.

man, r u guys bitter?

bisous

whatever happened to that guy?

He is still an active member in good standing.

If ur mother isn't then rejoin the jw's so u can talk to ur mom. If ur the bigger and better bc of it i don't see how u can let a religion get in between the both of you.

Couldn't possibly return to a religion that tolerates situations like mine. It isn't isolated. And frankly, I don't care to have a relationship with a mother that would defend the JW handling of the abuse of her daughter.

I appreciate your responding further to my post. I hope that you consider my situation and the possibility for many others living with impacts similar to mine. Making blanket statements such as the one you presented in your "Con's" overview can be very hurtful. If you truly are interested in giving balanced feedback regarding this site and its members, you should try and be aware of the depth and scope of experiences here.

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