Posts by Mysterious

Buster, she won't listen to a thing unless the society says so. Anything I could come up with she would surely have a watchtower answer for. Not to mention I'm sure she would find my questioning attitude appalling.

Dawn, I think they have a way around I don't recall what it was but it certainly didn't involve the great crowd in heaven. As for the faithful and discreet slave, I don't think I've ever seen that proven anywhere. But I did see mom do 1914 with a bible study once so anything is possible.

jackal, I believe it was the revision of the generation theory. I'm sure there was more but that's the part I remember.

Gadget, "The light gets brighter" "spiritual food at the proper time" etc.

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What Might've Kept You Still In The Organization?

by minimus in

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some people left the organization because of the united nations scam, 1975, the "generation" change, child abuse issues, not feeling the "love" of the brotherhood, etc.

in all honesty, is there something----that if it hadn't happened----would have kept you still in?

for example, if the child abuse issues were resolved properly, perhaps, some of those that left because of the mishandling, might still be at the meetings.

Mysterious

If they'd thrown their support behind same sex marriage.

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The woman is a NUT

by Mysterious in

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my mother is fanatical nut.

it's bad enough i suffer through the weekly bible reading (revelation 1-6), this week she decides we clearly are not learning enough.

she comes armed with (old light) the revelation book and copious prinouts.

Mysterious

I doubt mom would ever listen unless they printed it in the pages of the watchtower, but hey I enjoyed reading it.

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Why do the JW's not Believe in Hell?

by Tirisilex in

i may have asked this question before awhile back but i was not able to find it in the search.

other than what the nwt provides for information.. how do the jw's provide proof for this no hell belief?

Mysterious

God is offering Eternal Life so if you refuse that, then the Just thing to do from an Eternal viewpoint is Eternal Torment.

Thesaurus time.

Life - antonym death

Eternal torment would not be the logical opposite of eternal life, eternal death would be. And how exactly is torment "just". It isn't.

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The Happiest place on earth...Kingdom Hall

by integ in

i was invited to attend the latest visit from the circuit overseer last week.

what timely admonishment.

he brought out how we should not tire out in the race for life.

Mysterious

The happiest place on earth."
I thought that was Disneyland

Maybe the roof will start leaking again and then we'll have our own version of Splash Mountain...

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The woman is a NUT

by Mysterious in

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my mother is fanatical nut.

it's bad enough i suffer through the weekly bible reading (revelation 1-6), this week she decides we clearly are not learning enough.

she comes armed with (old light) the revelation book and copious prinouts.

Mysterious

Yes I wonder why they don't have a book on the subject, after all aren't ALL scriptures inspired of God and worthy of equal weight and consideration.

Actually I do believe I won't have to go back and read Genesis, what a pity. I think the last bible reading I have to do will be the final chapters of Revelation. Almost a fitting place to end don't you think.

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Some advise for a stranger to JWs

by Llama in

yeah, i'm a different thinker, floating between budhist and spiritualist ideas, and jw seems so rigid to me, i was quite shocked to read up on it.

unfortunately i have a question for you which i am dreading to ask, as i suspect the answer wont be one i wish to hear.. i have recently fallen for a girl, she is, well her parents are strictly jw as far as i understand, she follows this but has not been baptised yet.

i know she really likes me too, but i am not a witness, and i doubt i ever could be.

Mysterious

There are some who would look down on the family, especially those with "theocratic" (strong JW) children of their own. However the congregation would not shun the entire family, though they may avoid the girl herself. But if the girl were to still be living under their room and carrying on "ungodly" conduct and they didn't tell her to take a hike (assuming she is legally an adult) then their might be more pressure brought on them by the congregation.

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The woman is a NUT

by Mysterious in

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my mother is fanatical nut.

it's bad enough i suffer through the weekly bible reading (revelation 1-6), this week she decides we clearly are not learning enough.

she comes armed with (old light) the revelation book and copious prinouts.

Mysterious

Jim_TX my mother is using the book. Officially we are only reading Revelation from the bible, but apparently this was not fanatical enough for her.

Blondie, I studied the Revelation book twice. I still hold that their way of studying it is rather like when you read a novel in school and the teacher tells you what it means and you're supposed to believe it no matter what..

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Some advise for a stranger to JWs

by Llama in

yeah, i'm a different thinker, floating between budhist and spiritualist ideas, and jw seems so rigid to me, i was quite shocked to read up on it.

unfortunately i have a question for you which i am dreading to ask, as i suspect the answer wont be one i wish to hear.. i have recently fallen for a girl, she is, well her parents are strictly jw as far as i understand, she follows this but has not been baptised yet.

i know she really likes me too, but i am not a witness, and i doubt i ever could be.

Mysterious

As far as i understand it she isnt even meant to spend any time with me right? surely thats a little wierd, i'm not a religion basher, i understand that many people believe in wierd things, i have some strange beliefs of my own, but if we like eachother is there any reason we shouldnt be together?

In my opinion people who like each other should be all means be together. However JWs do not hold this opinion. Anyone who does not share their faith is labelled a "bad association". They feel that by letting people hang out with these "bad associations" they will be pulled away from the organisation. Thus they forbid non-essential (social) contact.

i dont know if she's prepared to risk it, and i dont want to be the one to upset any relationship between her and her family. isnt this kinda thing relaxed a bit more now? i'm not exactly gonna sit her down and brainwash her into believing in karma, she can think whatever she wants to think.

If she's not baptised she cannot be disfellowshipped (thrown out, explled) and thus there would be no official basis for her family shunning her completely. However families very rarely have close ties with "worldly" (non-JW) relatives. So yes it would likely do some damage to the relationship with her parents if she gave up the JWs.

i actually see JW as a similar thought to karma, but where as that relies on you having lived wrong previously and experiencing multiple levels of purity, JW seems to rely on having clear karma all the time. It feels wierd being treated as taboo, i'm not a bad guy, but am made to feel like some kind of lower being.

They egotistically believe they are the ONLY true religion and that the beliefs of anyone else are therefore inferiour and erroneous no matter how good a people they are.

also any summaries or links to information about JWs, I only know some bits from a few friends i had in school, but that only stretches to no xmas, no RE lessons, no singing hymns, and they had to try and convert people.

The top two are more general links and overviews, the others more specific.
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8034_1.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witness.htm

http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm
www.freeminds.org
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/j/jehovah/
http://www.jwinfoline.com/page_phone_transcript_main.htm http://www.jwfiles.com/ In closing PLEASE do not get sucked into this cult no matter how much you care for this girl. Don't let them pull you in too. If you can get her free, great, but don't get involved with them just so you can be together.