Posts by OrphanCrow

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Watchtower Charter-A Danger to GB?

by TakeOffTheCrown in

the following link is a pdf of the charter for the watchtower bible and tract society of new york as of 2003:.

https://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-of-new-york-charter-and-certificate-of-incorporation.pdf.

my question: is the governing body in danger of removal if they do not adhere to the charter?.

OrphanCrow

But, but....who is the Watchtower and Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania?

This is the charter for Watchtower and Bible Society of New York, Inc.. If this corporation is dissolved, all assets go to the WTBS in Pennsylvania. (Ninth resolution)

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

I posted a lot of material in my last post, and the Boston College video is especially long and dense.

But, if you watch anything, do watch the 2013 REFIRE video. That is the creepiest video of them all - Reibling, an active and prominent JW, never once mentions Jehovah's Witnesses or the WTS in his talk to a roomful of white shirted white men, but he talks about the ideology of the organization in the video. I couldn't breathe when I was watching it and it took a long time for my heart to quit pounding.

Shadow organization? Absolutely. Creepy as hell. Chilling.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

To take the topic away from the medical aspect of Lorenz Reibling's background, and back to his Taurus Investments, the first video I posted has Lorenz in Argentina, giving an interview about the real estate market, both in the US, and potential projects in Argentina.

Did anyone notice the edits/cuts? They often occurred when Lorenz was looking to someone off-camera to the right of the frame. He was getting coached. I wonder who was with him - Lorenz stumbled around a bit at times.

That video was posted recently - June 2015.

Here is Professor Reibling in 2014, speaking about a Texas venture. They say everything is bigger in Texas - I wonder how that turned out for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvjrqTsOGg

This next video I would like to re-title "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About the Watchtower Society's Real Estate Decisions" or, "Rebling Explains 'Risk Management' in Terms Jehovah's Witnesses Understand Without Saying Jehovah's Witnesses or Armageddon". The video is from 2013 - consider how, in New York, the GB "were waiting on Jehovah for the go-ahead on a project."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAyXbrNZNCI

Here are a few places in the video that made me go hmmmm...:

8:40 - audience shot - creepy

11:40 - instructions on how to ignore gut feelings

15:30 - Germans think Americans are inferior

17:00 - here is the secret to control of their team - their loyalty is bound by a common loyalty to another group

27:00 - US is great market - wages down, production up

28:00 - they have a partner for life.... ???!!??

Consider the role distributing propaganda in certain areas/countries has on property prices. Consider the expansions, sell-offs...etc, of the WTS.

For anyone who would like to continue looking through little wee doorways, and playing with the crazy mirrors...tumble down this next rabbit hole. I watched the entire video but I don't expect many have the time to watch it all - but the video will be especially interesting to anyone who has excavated the JWs in WW2.

The video is of a panel held in Boston 2011 - the moderator is Professor Lorenz Reibling,

Panelists Klaus Scharioth, the ambassador to the United States from the Federal Republic of Germany; Detlef Garbe, director at the Neuengamme (Hamburg) Memorial; Peter C. Hoffmann, the William Kingsford Professor of History at McGill University; Robert Buckley, consultant for the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C.; John Michalczyk, chair of the Department of Fine Arts at Boston College; and Lorenz Reibling, faculty member in Boston College's Woods College of Advancing Studies; discuss the spiritual, military, and philosophical resistance against the oppression of the Third Reich.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnO7W4MDGeE

There is so much left out in the account given by Garbe - it is apparent that most of the material he presented about the JWs was given to him to say, it is what he doesn't say that is telling - there is even one part where Reibling passes Garbe a note, Garbe reads it, and carefully counts off 5 or 6 pages, omitting information about the JWs. It is a creepy video - the Holocaust Museum speaker is another piece of work.

I couldn't help thinking, as I was watching the life of Lorenz unfold by peeling away the layers of his past, that he grew older the farther back in time I looked. He was an aging, humble, quiet spoken academic in 2011. He was rather shabby then - the change in profession seems to have been good for him. Either he is a great actor, or he is into some of those stay younger drug/herb programs.

It looks like money agrees with Professor Lorenz Reibling.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

Vidiot, I had said that i would just keep adding to this thread, so...for anyone interested in following up the connections and statements I had made earlier about the role of Germany in the pursuit of medicine that overlaps with the beginning of the blood ban and lines up ideologically with bloodless medicine, this following link has a good blog entry about science in Germany at the time of WW2:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/12/04/was-nazi-science-good-science/

Consider the callous and uncaring attitude of the WTS and how that compares to how prisoners were thought of - the who were used as medical experiments. When the article talks about " the killing of prisoners with direct injections of phenol into the heart" - that is the clotting agent I spoke of earlier. That is an early experiment with bloodless medicine.

Consider how admired the JW prisoners were by the leader of the SS. What did he admire? Their loyalty - their willingness to die for their Jehovah. How easy it was to convince them that Jehovah wanted them to refuse blood transfusions. How incredibly easy it was. And how loyal those JWs have been - always listening to the directions of the "Great Physician". A perfect medical experimental group.

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Radio Broadcast - 01/06/15 - Controversy over Shannon Farmer's involvement in Blood Management

by OrphanCrow in

mr. shannon farmer, the jw who is currently working with axel hoffman to implement blood management programs in europe, is the subject of a radio show in australia that aired on june 1, 2015.. http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/content/s4249605.htm.

controversy over blood management and blood transfusionsgovernments manage potential conflicts of interest all the time, but they seldom concern the very stuff running through our veins.the national blood authority's expert panel on blood transfusions includes one member who doesn't believe in blood transfusions at all.moreover, shannon farmer has a commercial interest in alternatives to blood transfusions.

newsradio's clive hunton reports from canberra.. listen to radio broadcast (8:55 min):.

OrphanCrow

nonjwspous: Please go to the YUKU forum of exjehovahs witnesses and look up birdwoman2. She is also doing exhaustive research into this. You two might find info from each other.

Hello, Nonnie. Lol! Who do you think I am?

Besides a crow, that is... :)

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Radio Broadcast - 01/06/15 - Controversy over Shannon Farmer's involvement in Blood Management

by OrphanCrow in

mr. shannon farmer, the jw who is currently working with axel hoffman to implement blood management programs in europe, is the subject of a radio show in australia that aired on june 1, 2015.. http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/content/s4249605.htm.

controversy over blood management and blood transfusionsgovernments manage potential conflicts of interest all the time, but they seldom concern the very stuff running through our veins.the national blood authority's expert panel on blood transfusions includes one member who doesn't believe in blood transfusions at all.moreover, shannon farmer has a commercial interest in alternatives to blood transfusions.

newsradio's clive hunton reports from canberra.. listen to radio broadcast (8:55 min):.

OrphanCrow

Umbertoecho: I do know these men are not or.....were not fully qualified for the job. I was suspicious as soon as pharmaceutical companies became involved.

As soon as I found out that they were JWs, my spidey sense was tingling. Lol!

Farmer and Hofmann are qualified, all right. Qualified in bloodless medicine. They promoted bloodless medicine - it is their baby, they are heavily invested in it, they have been in on the ground floor of bloodless technology. Both are founding members of the very first blood management society ever - the SABM. The bloodless medicine field did not develop outside of the JWs - it was developed by JWs. Who are making a piss pot full of money from it.

Personally, I find the whole field of bloodless medicine to be creepy. When I read of an account where a man was kept alive, suspended in a coma for 19 days without a drop of human blood in him, and the doctor reporting this event was so proud of that...well, it creeped me out. Imagine having all of your blood drained out of you and your body being held in suspension....for days and days.

And the creepiest thing of all? The ideology of bloodless medicine mirrors the JW ideology - the goals are the same - to live forever...here...on earth. And the replacement of human blood with artificial blood is just step in that direction. The same goals and the same promise.

*to add - that is why the blood transfusion ban will never entirely go away. Technologies like artificial blood still need subjects to test the limits on - treatment of every other patient has to follow a resuscitation model. JWs still have a purpose - to test the limits.

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JWs on Facebook, Pinterest, etc.

by enigma1863 in

have you noticed how much jw crap there is online now.

there must be 20 jw.org facebook pages.

100s of jws have a pinterest page.

OrphanCrow

It is all part of the WTS propaganda machine.

And some of the JWs are getting caught up in it and further passing that propaganda on...it is easier than 'placing' literature and the audience is far larger.

Social media is being deliberately flooded with propaganda - not all of what you see and read is genuine.

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JWs on Facebook, Pinterest, etc.

by enigma1863 in

have you noticed how much jw crap there is online now.

there must be 20 jw.org facebook pages.

100s of jws have a pinterest page.

OrphanCrow

I think that huge proliferation of images and such on pinterest is largely jw,.org generated.

I have looked at the primary source of some of the images that appear on some of the JW accounts, and the source posters are strange. There is one particular poster who has uploaded a huge archive of JW material. Someone(s) in the jw..org is 'priming' the social media sites, and then, I would suspect, the further generation of that information is being done by multiple accounts in addition to the 'genuine' JW accounts..

Check out this pinterest account here:

https://www.pinterest.com/v_malukov/

The name translates to "Viktor". The "Satan" file is nuts. I downloaded several images from it to look at later - but after I had grabbed 7 images, I couldn't get anymore - I was blocked somehow.

I had to chuckle, though, when the pinterest file that had the JW images in it also had an album of Carl Warner images:

https://www.pinterest.com/v_malukov/carl-warner-foodscapes/

I think the over proliferation of accounts and information is generated by the jw..org marketers - the social media market is being specifically targeted. I don't believe all the accounts are legitimate. The pinterest account I linked to -"Viktor" - is the source of much of the material that other "pinners" are using.

I am sure that there are more pinterest accounts that are primary sources that originate with jw..org promoters.

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Radio Broadcast - 01/06/15 - Controversy over Shannon Farmer's involvement in Blood Management

by OrphanCrow in

mr. shannon farmer, the jw who is currently working with axel hoffman to implement blood management programs in europe, is the subject of a radio show in australia that aired on june 1, 2015.. http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/content/s4249605.htm.

controversy over blood management and blood transfusionsgovernments manage potential conflicts of interest all the time, but they seldom concern the very stuff running through our veins.the national blood authority's expert panel on blood transfusions includes one member who doesn't believe in blood transfusions at all.moreover, shannon farmer has a commercial interest in alternatives to blood transfusions.

newsradio's clive hunton reports from canberra.. listen to radio broadcast (8:55 min):.

OrphanCrow

Umbertoecho: The fact that they made a few million for their knowledge, a knowledge that does not include any true medical training........is/was a source of out rage to some. Because these men were so able to argue against blood and promote an unproven alternative, has caused many to wonder how safe this is.

And well they should wonder. Journalists from the Sunday Times asked the WA Health Department to provide data to back up the claims that blood management improved patient outcomes:

The Patient Blood Management (PBM) program has resulted in improved patient outcomes such as fewer complications, reduced length of stay, fewer infections and reduced usage of red cell blood products, the WA Health Department claims.
The Sunday Times asked the Health Department on March 28 to provide the results of patient outcomes from more than five years of PBM initiatives in WA.

The department of health provided some data:

More than five weeks later, the department provided four graphs on superficial (skin) infection rates and hospital length of stay.
There was no rationale provided to show how superficial infection rates might be caused by blood transfusions.
According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other medical establishments, superficial infections involve the skin only.
The four graphs showed data from 2008/9 to 2012/13 in selected patients.

And what did the data actually show? Was it useful data and did it support the claims of PBM that blood management improved patient outcome? And how could that data apply when there is no causation effect from blood transfusion???

Lets' look at how the blood transfusion rate correlates to superficial infections that have nothing to do with blood transfusions:

Two graphs showed the superficial infection rates along with red cell transfusion rates in hip and knee replacement patients.
The graphs showed superficial infection rates generally went down as transfusion rates went down.
But both graphs showed superficial infection rates in one year went up as the red cell transfusion rate came down. In another year, superficial infection rates in knee replacements went down as transfusion rates went up.

And what about the length of stay on the hospital? Did that change with blood management?

The two other graphs supplied showed changes in length of stay in hip or knee replacement and heart surgery patients.
The graphs show that the length of stay was higher in patients who had a blood transfusion.
There were no data to show how blood transfusions directly affect length of stay, including whether patients who had a blood transfusion had a longer length of stay because they were sicker.
In all graphs, no actual patient numbers were given, only percentages, so it is unknown how many patients in these select groups were included in the statistics.
The department did not produce any results for “fewer complications” apart from the superficial infection rates.

The data provided is not useful - it has been correlated in ways that are inaccurate and misleading and the data is incomplete.

The “reduced usage of red cell blood products” is not a patient outcome.
The department also did not provide any data on whether patients who were refused a blood transfusion or received a restricted amount of blood under the PBM program suffered any adverse effects or were readmitted to hospital.

The main outcome reported was that there was a decreased number of blood transfusions.
There were no reported results on whether patients’ health benefited or was adversely affected by not being given a blood transfusion, or by being restricted to a single unit of blood at a time.
The article’s conclusion was that the PBM program “likely improved outcomes” by reducing patient exposure to donated blood transfusions.

Well, the claim that a patient reduces exposure to risks associated with blood transfusions is somewhat misleading. What isn't considered in that equation is the increased risks that a patient who refuses, or reduces, blood is faced with that they wouldn't have if they had simply had a blood transfusion.

The risks of not having blood transfusions are never mentioned - what about the side effects of the drug cocktails that are given to patients to build up blood to reduce the amount of blood given; what about the risks of using blood substitutes that exceed the risks of using 'real' blood'. And never forget the biggest risk of all: death.

It is obvious that the WA Health Department is considering the bottom line - the dollar. And the reduction in blood use is a measurable outcome that can be seen as dollar signs. However, what needs to be considered in the whole big equation, is not that the hospitals have a few days here and there that save money, but the many factors that are not addressed in the economic impact of using less blood.

What about the cost of the alternative drug cocktails, what about the cost of all that blood management equipment and the technicians to run the equipment? Bloodless medicine, and blood management relies on technology.

Think of it this way - with very little equipment, a blood transfusion can save a life - just a bit of tubing and a couple of hollow needles, and not much else, I can administer my own blood to somebody dying...and save their life. That was done over and over again on the battlefields before the days of blood banking. "Blood on the hoof" was cost effective. Even though it was low technology, it saved lives and the procedure still can.

Modern bloodless surgery and blood management, however, relies on technology - without the cell savers and technicians, 'bloodless' surgery does not exist except as an old, outdated, procedure practiced by chiropractors and masseuses.

It is the bloodless technology that transformed the notion of "bloodless surgery" being a non-invasive procedure to a procedure that is invasive to the extreme.

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Radio Broadcast - 01/06/15 - Controversy over Shannon Farmer's involvement in Blood Management

by OrphanCrow in

mr. shannon farmer, the jw who is currently working with axel hoffman to implement blood management programs in europe, is the subject of a radio show in australia that aired on june 1, 2015.. http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/content/s4249605.htm.

controversy over blood management and blood transfusionsgovernments manage potential conflicts of interest all the time, but they seldom concern the very stuff running through our veins.the national blood authority's expert panel on blood transfusions includes one member who doesn't believe in blood transfusions at all.moreover, shannon farmer has a commercial interest in alternatives to blood transfusions.

newsradio's clive hunton reports from canberra.. listen to radio broadcast (8:55 min):.

OrphanCrow

Millie: I believe this to be as pivotal in many ways as the pedophilia scandal as well as the U,N, debacle.
Definitely it has harmed more lives due to if nothing else its long standing restrictions on the lives of so many ill people

The pedophilia scandal is horrible - many peoples' lives have been ruined and the pain and suffering is immeasurable. But I don't think that there are people who make money from the victims - there are lawyers involved, but I doubt that someone is raking in money from the sidelines while it happens. However, the child abuse cases sure keep the public from looking elsewhere at WTS' operations - intentionally or not, the child abuse court cases create a pretty thick smoke screen around the Tower.

The UN scandal is an entirely different matter - the only JWs who got harmed over that are the people whose feelings were hurt that they had been lied to. That is all - just hurt feelings. In fact, the UN association helps JWs in foreign countries. The WTS should belong to the UN - it is the smart thing to do. Another little perk about belonging to the UN is that it facilitates the transfer of money between foreign countries.There were no victims involved in the UN scandal unless you count the JWs who had their intelligence insulted..

But, here is where the UN affiliation is beneficial to the blood management ideology - just think....the UN supports the right of refusal for medical treatment.The UN is the vehicle whereby the blood management societies can promote their products and ideology globally - the UN legitimizes the noblood doctrine and the JWs who work in and profit from blood management take full advantage of that.

If a person went back through UN documents that led up to the adoption of the resolution in 2000, that clearly states the right of refusal of medical treatment, I have no doubts that many JWs connected to the bloodless industry were influential in seeing that the resolution was adopted.

The restrictions on blood transfusions, enforced and supervised by the WTS, has had untold harmful consequences, and it affects far more people than just those JWs who refuse blood. The social ripples are rarely looked at - everyone just concentrates on the JWs who are refusing on an individual basis but the effects of that refusal is multiplied many times over.

People die from refusing blood - lots of them have - over 100,000 since the beginning of the blood ban, according to one source and that doesn't count those who live with illnesses that require blood as a treatment, or those who live with a disability caused by the refusal of a blood transfusion.