Marvin, the Letter of Understanding that you posted on your site pertains to a hospital in Canada.
Do you know if this document is used anywhere besides Canada?
OrphanCrow
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Blood Transfusion: Letter of Understanding
by defender of truth inhttp://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.
"every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.
then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".
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Pregnant women refuses blood
by Giordano inhttp://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refusal-of-blood-transfusion-mother-and-baby-die#more-4001.
a 28-year-old woman and her unborn child have died because of the womans decision not to accept a lifesaving blood transfusion.. doctors at the royal hospital for women and prince of wales hospital in randwick, sydney, australia, have described the harrowing effect on hospital staff of two otherwise avoidable deaths.. the woman, a jehovahs witness, was seven months into her pregnancy when it was discovered she had leukaemia.. amy corderoy, health editor, reporting in the sydney morning herald states,.
more than 80% of pregnant women suffering from the cancer, called acute promyelocytic leukaemia, will go into remission with proper treatment, and the outlook for their babies is good.. .
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sparrowdown:
The same Jehovah who hates child sacrifice....apparently.Jehovah doesn't hate child sacrifice. He endorses it - he gave his own son in sacrifice...apparently.
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Pregnant women refuses blood
by Giordano inhttp://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refusal-of-blood-transfusion-mother-and-baby-die#more-4001.
a 28-year-old woman and her unborn child have died because of the womans decision not to accept a lifesaving blood transfusion.. doctors at the royal hospital for women and prince of wales hospital in randwick, sydney, australia, have described the harrowing effect on hospital staff of two otherwise avoidable deaths.. the woman, a jehovahs witness, was seven months into her pregnancy when it was discovered she had leukaemia.. amy corderoy, health editor, reporting in the sydney morning herald states,.
more than 80% of pregnant women suffering from the cancer, called acute promyelocytic leukaemia, will go into remission with proper treatment, and the outlook for their babies is good.. .
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searcher: The fact remains that mothers who deliberately abort their children are exercising their "human rights", but Witness mothers must be vilified if their child dies, allegedly as the result of the rejection of a particular surgical procedure! One standard for all?
I am not sure exactly why your comparison of a JW woman committing suicide to a woman who chooses to terminate a pregnancy is unsettling but I want to comment on your position because I know that you are somewhat off the mark on this one.
I think it would be more applicable to compare this JW woman to women who choose to take their own life and take their children with them to their death, than to women who chose to live.
This is not a debate on abortion issues - it is a discussion on women who commit suicide and put their child(ren)'s lives at risk by taking that action. A woman who chooses not to be pregnant doesn't do so out of a desire to die. In fact, women who terminate their pregnancies have a desire to live - that is why they choose to not be pregnant. This JW woman desired to die.
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Active posters: What education have you had, what degrees do you possess?
by EndofMysteries infrom so many posts and conversations on here, you'd think over 1/2 the posters here possess doctorates in theology, physics, biology, etc.
i'm curious aside from the books and research people have done here, what degrees they have.
to start, i just got an aa and going straight through full time to an mba.
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Well, damn, Oubilette - it must be the forum demons at work again. It really was there when I posted it!
Oh well...like I said before - I have a Master of Fuck All - I can't figure out why it didn't post.
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Active posters: What education have you had, what degrees do you possess?
by EndofMysteries infrom so many posts and conversations on here, you'd think over 1/2 the posters here possess doctorates in theology, physics, biology, etc.
i'm curious aside from the books and research people have done here, what degrees they have.
to start, i just got an aa and going straight through full time to an mba.
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OrphanCrow
Damn. Sorry, Oubliette. I meant to include your entire post but now I see that my last minute editing didn't work out...stupid phone rang and I didn't get back to it after hitting Post Reply.
It was supposed to look like this:
cantleave: A degree can help open the door, but success once you have stepped through that door depends on many other factors.
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Active posters: What education have you had, what degrees do you possess?
by EndofMysteries infrom so many posts and conversations on here, you'd think over 1/2 the posters here possess doctorates in theology, physics, biology, etc.
i'm curious aside from the books and research people have done here, what degrees they have.
to start, i just got an aa and going straight through full time to an mba.
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OrphanCrow
Oubliette
cantleave: A degree can help open the door, but success once you have stepped through that door depends on many other factors.I have found that persistence and hard work don't stand a chance up against politics and inter-personal relationships in the workplace.
Want to be successful and get ahead? Learn to be political in your job - your work usually comes second to that.
An education does not equal a job - there is a reason that an MFA is called a Master of Fuck All.
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"Gerson Therapy" in Tijuana, Mexico
by OrphanCrow insince at least back to the 1960s in canada, jws have been travelling to mexico for cancer treatment.
and, i believe, other medical treatments.
because i watched my uncle die of cancer back in 1962, unable to receive treatment because the doctors couldn't operate without blood, i have always been curious as to why the jws with cancer were going to mexico.
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Blondie, I hadn't heard of Hoxsey Therapy before. After reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoxsey_Therapy, I would think that Hoxsey would fit hand in glove with those early Watchtower quack doctors.
Maybe it was the Hoxsey Therapy that was being sought after by JWs in the early 60s. I notice after reading more about Gerson Therapy, that it wasn't established in Mexico until the late 70s.
Faye, what you describe resembles the Hoxsey Therapy rather than the Gerson Therapy. Sorry about the right side of my post - I don't know how to fix that.
Regardless, they are both questionable and dangerous 'cures'. Which makes those quack cures prime candidates for people gullible enough to believe that 7 men in New York have a direct line to some gawd in the sky.
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"Gerson Therapy" in Tijuana, Mexico
by OrphanCrow insince at least back to the 1960s in canada, jws have been travelling to mexico for cancer treatment.
and, i believe, other medical treatments.
because i watched my uncle die of cancer back in 1962, unable to receive treatment because the doctors couldn't operate without blood, i have always been curious as to why the jws with cancer were going to mexico.
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OrphanCrow
Since at least back to the 1960s in Canada, JWs have been travelling to Mexico for cancer treatment. And, I believe, other medical treatments.
Because I watched my uncle die of cancer back in 1962, unable to receive treatment because the doctors couldn't operate without blood, I have always been curious as to why the JWs with cancer were going to Mexico. My aunt and uncle didn't have the money to go to Mexico and instead went to Vancouver for some kind of treatment.
I just read a post on reddit that named the cancer therapy in Mexico that the JWs often elect for treatment.
The Gerson Therapy.
Developed by Max Gerson, a German-born physician who immigrated to the States in 1936, bringing with him his ideas on how to cure cancer and...well, almost anything. Except, his ideas and methods were not able to be proven and are, in fact, dangerous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Gerson
It is interesting to note that his therapy included not using aluminum cookware. Sound familiar?
The methods and ideas that are used in Gerson Therapy reflect much of the early 'medical' advice given to the Bible Students back in the days of pre-JW. The early Consolation magazines of the 1920s and 30s endorse many of the same methods and principles that Max Gerson was promoting in his therapy. And, Gerson would have shared the anti-AMA sentiments of the Watchtower in the time he spent in New York prior to his therapy being banned in the States.
I now understand the attraction to Mexico for medical treatment for JWs.
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Active posters: What education have you had, what degrees do you possess?
by EndofMysteries infrom so many posts and conversations on here, you'd think over 1/2 the posters here possess doctorates in theology, physics, biology, etc.
i'm curious aside from the books and research people have done here, what degrees they have.
to start, i just got an aa and going straight through full time to an mba.
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opusdei1972 Many christians who have a Ph.D. in theology use this degree to propagate lies with a scholarly language. Nothing more.
Good Point. Degrees come with bias. Just because someone has some letters doesn't mean the letters are credible. I have read much material written by people who claim degrees, and then when I have researched where those degrees come from, I find that they are little more than popcorn box degrees. (Dr. Bergman's biology degree springs to mind)
Many of the theologians with Phds in front of their names have been educated in Christian universities that have a pre-determined bias built into their educational material. Or, they have been awarded their degrees from 'Bible' colleges.
'Scholarly' has a broad range of interpretation.
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Active posters: What education have you had, what degrees do you possess?
by EndofMysteries infrom so many posts and conversations on here, you'd think over 1/2 the posters here possess doctorates in theology, physics, biology, etc.
i'm curious aside from the books and research people have done here, what degrees they have.
to start, i just got an aa and going straight through full time to an mba.
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TTWSYF:
adjusted knowledge: Though I think credentials are important and add weight to a person's argument, I also think a well read person with life experience is just as qualified
I disagree. Although it can be true. The problem is that where are they getting their reading material? Is it an accredited source of information?I agree with you. TTWSYF.
A well read person is not necessarily the same as well educated. A person may be well read in hundreds of books and still fall short of having a solid base of knowledge.
And, a person can have excellent critical reasoning skills but no solid base upon which to use them. It is the educational institution that can offer a framework in which to evaluate material.
That said, though, I have met many people with lots of letters behind, and in front of, their names who are dumb as posts on subjects outside their frame of reference. And I have met people with little more than a grade school education that have phenomenal knowledge about particular subjects.
Education comes in many forms - learning is a life time endeavor, and just because a person doesn't have letters behind their name, doesn't mean that they don't have valuable contributions to make and things to teach even the most learned. That is why the greatest teachers teach - so that they can learn.