Posts by OrphanCrow

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Awake! Quotes a Well-Known ex-JW Apostate in Support of Their Beliefs!?!

by Oubliette in

konceptual99, referenced this article on another thread: .

was it designed?

the inverted retina.

OrphanCrow

Oubliette: I don't know much about Bergman. A few other posters here have mentioned he has credibility problems.

Now that I have read a couple of his other papers, I agree with those other posters.

I didn't know much about him until you posted those links. I had read his material that related to the JWs but knew nothing else about him.

His educational list looks impressive, but I have a bit of difficulty evaluating his education because of the differences between Canadian and US degree requirements. For example, a Phd in the US is sometimes less than, or equal to a Masters degree in Canada.

As to the question you asked earlier about why the WTS would use Bergman in their Awake! article, I think that you have revealed another one of those 'cracks' that show there is more behind the WTS than we are aware of.

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Awake! Quotes a Well-Known ex-JW Apostate in Support of Their Beliefs!?!

by Oubliette in

konceptual99, referenced this article on another thread: .

was it designed?

the inverted retina.

OrphanCrow

I'm only pointing out that it is odd that a man that is known to be an ex-JW and apostate is quoted by the WTBTS as a reliable source. I never suggested or even implied that he is.

I know. And I never said you did. I never implied that either.

I offered my opinion on the material you posted.

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Recent Birth Experience

by lambsbottom in

i'm completely flabergasted at what happened with a couple in my old congregation recently.

they are still active.

the guy messages me that they had their baby and will be at a local hospital for the next couple days.

OrphanCrow

my question is: why are the congregation elders not checking with EVERY pregnant JW woman to make sure she gets blood work right before expected labor dates!? didn't they have a leaked document regarding this a couple years ago?

The blood work that the elders were encouraging pregnant women to get done a few years ago, had to do with identifying the JW women who were RH negative.

In 2010, there was a clinical trial being sponsored by InfaCare Pharmaceuticals Corporation. The trial was by invitation only and the JW community fit the parameters of the study group perfectly. The elders and HLC would have been actively recruiting for subjects to enter into the clinical trial for Stantate at that time.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01183988?term=jehovah%27s+witnesses&rank=1

Stantate, the drug that was being tested on JW babies, has since received approval for compassionate use.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00076960?term=jehovah%27s+witnesses&rank=2

And once again, the JW community has contributed to a pharmaceutical company's quest to get a drug onto the market.

Step 1 - clinical trial approved by FDA

Step 2 - get JW mamas and babies to enroll

Step 3 - apply for the drug to get 'compassionate use' status for expanded access

Step 3 is the end goal. The study that was approved for Step 1 has yet to be published, and we do not know the safety or efficacy of the drug. But that doesn't matter - the drug is 'needed' by the JW women, so it now can be manufactured and sold for use.

"Compassionate Use" status is not equivalent to "safe and effective".

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Recent Birth Experience

by lambsbottom in

i'm completely flabergasted at what happened with a couple in my old congregation recently.

they are still active.

the guy messages me that they had their baby and will be at a local hospital for the next couple days.

OrphanCrow

Crazyguy9 hours agoBiggest problem is the Doctors getting in the way of a natural child birth. If they would of let the mother walk around and maybe have some wine things probably would of progressed more quickly. If this was her first baby it tends to take longer. Bottom line the doctors really want to have to preform a C-section because then they make some serious coin.

??? walk around and have some wine??? and that is supposed to alleviate 22 hours of hard labor???

You cannot, and should not, make evaluations on a woman's experience with child birth when you have a limited amount of information about her situation.

Your comment is irresponsible and reflects a pre-disposed bias towards medical science and women's health issues.

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Awake! Quotes a Well-Known ex-JW Apostate in Support of Their Beliefs!?!

by Oubliette in

konceptual99, referenced this article on another thread: .

was it designed?

the inverted retina.

OrphanCrow

Oubliette: Strange! No?
Why would they do that?
(You can read Bergman's biography by clicking on the hyperlink on his name in the Awake!quote)

Thank you for posting this information about Jerry Bergman.

I think that Bergman and the WTS are a perfect fit.

Now that I have read Bergman's biography and a few of his articles that he has published, I will no longer be using Bergman as any kind of authority whatsoever, even if I can 'cherry pick' pieces out of his 'anti-JW' articles on mental health.

His writings are extremely biased to the point that they have no value except for the dissemination and perpetuation of cultural beliefs. His only value is as an example of how religious beliefs can influence science to the degree that religion can make the claim that it is based in science - which it is not.

Bergman has lost all credibility with me.

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Federal prisoner, child of active JW, could be my grandchild?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i recently learned of the possibility that my son has a love child and that this child is in prison.

the child was born in the early 80s.

i learned that my ex-wife and her parents may have paid a large sum of money to the young mother (and others) in order to keep this scandal out of the press and perhaps out of earshot of the local elders.

OrphanCrow

FatFreek, do you know the identity of the mother of your maybe-grandson?

She might be able to help you out.

DNA testing, in spite of cost, will answer your question.

Good luck.

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Watchtower and the Dishonest Use of Uncredited Images

by jwleaks in

jw
friends

the below image comes from the following web site page: commons wikimedia.

the author of the work has granted licence to use his work providing he is properly credited or attributed as the author.. .

[credit: daniel meyar, licensed for use under creative commons].

OrphanCrow

It will be interesting to see if Watch Tower takes down the image or corrects it. Of course that all depends on whether the JW Writing Department or IT department or any others at the JW headquarters read so-called "apostate" websites, such as this one.

Or, it could depend on whether or not Daniel Meyar, the one who should be attributed with the photograph, ever finds out that his work has not been credited properly by the WTS.

Theft of creative works, and/or not giving credit to the owner/author of those works, really bothers me. I am pretty sure that it would bother Daniel Meyar too.

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what is the best line to say to a JW handing you an invite to the memorial

by nonjwspouse in

jw
friends

i have some ideas, but want more to choose from..

OrphanCrow

me: "So this Memorial celebration is about Jesus? Do you believe in Jesus?"

JW: "Oh, yes! Of course we do!"

me: "Do you try to follow what Jesus did?"

JW: "Oh yes!"

me: "Do you believe that Jesus died and gave his blood so that the whole world could live?"

JW: "Oh yes!"

me: "So, if Jesus gave his blood, why don't you?"

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Inactive ones are not JWs

by gone for good in

years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

OrphanCrow

Goneforgood, i don't know if this is what you are looking for, but the following quotes give some historical background, and substantiates where the idea comes from that being inactive means that a person is no longer a JW

from Preparation by Judge Rutherford pg 326:

Jehovah does nothing toward the destruction of the enemy in secret. His faithful witnesses must give this warning in the name of Jehovah, and their failure or refusal so to do would be evidence of their unfaithfulness and lead to their own destruction.

and from Theocratic Aid to Kingdom Publishers, 1945 - pg. 8:

It is discretionary with an individual as to whether he will serve the Lord, but, once having made a consecration to do God’s will, obedience to Jehovah’s commands becomes mandatory. It is a matter of life and death.

You can find both those publications here:

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/historical-publications.php

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Hasta la Vista,.. I'm outta here

by insidetheKH in

jw
friends

the time has come to leave this forum.

this is my last post.

mission completed.

OrphanCrow

is that a JW pic or someone here photoshopped?

The image is from a video produced by jw..org. It comes from the video where Caleb and his family visit Bethel.

I will let you look it up - I don't visit that site.

:)