Posts by OrphanCrow

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Inactive ones are not JWs

by gone for good in

years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

Goneforgood, i don't know if this is what you are looking for, but the following quotes give some historical background, and substantiates where the idea comes from that being inactive means that a person is no longer a JW

from Preparation by Judge Rutherford pg 326:

Jehovah does nothing toward the destruction of the enemy in secret. His faithful witnesses must give this warning in the name of Jehovah, and their failure or refusal so to do would be evidence of their unfaithfulness and lead to their own destruction.

and from Theocratic Aid to Kingdom Publishers, 1945 - pg. 8:

It is discretionary with an individual as to whether he will serve the Lord, but, once having made a consecration to do God’s will, obedience to Jehovah’s commands becomes mandatory. It is a matter of life and death.

You can find both those publications here:

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/historical-publications.php

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Hasta la Vista,.. I'm outta here

by insidetheKH in

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the time has come to leave this forum.

this is my last post.

mission completed.

OrphanCrow

is that a JW pic or someone here photoshopped?

The image is from a video produced by jw..org. It comes from the video where Caleb and his family visit Bethel.

I will let you look it up - I don't visit that site.

:)

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Do JW Children Still Call Adults "Aunt" and "Uncle"?

by cofty in

when i was young we were taught to refer to other adult jws as aunt or uncle.. was this also the case in other countries and does it still happen?.

was it just a custom or has the literature ever commented on it?.

thanks.

OrphanCrow

cofty6 hours agoWhen I was young we were taught to refer to other adult JWs as aunt or uncle.
Was this also the case in other countries and does it still happen?
Was it just a custom or has the literature ever commented on it?

I think this must be regional. When I was young (a long time ago!) and still a little JW kid, I was told that calling people 'aunt' and 'uncle', was a 'wordly' thing. In our family, we weren't allowed to call people outside of our family 'aunt' or 'uncle'.

However, my super-duper JW sister moved to a different congregation and from that point on, everybody in her congregation became 'aunt' and 'uncle' for her son.

Miles4 hours agoI have never heard of this in my life, this may apply to redneck country in parts of the States where people are all related.

I don't know where you are from, Miles, but I don't live in redneck country in the US. Calling people 'aunt' and 'uncle' is a common practice, and used as a sign of respect, where I live and has been for as long as I can remember. And the people who live here here are not 'all related' - Canada is a multi-cultural place and I have heard these expressions from many unrelated cultures.

Maybe you need to get out more, Miles.

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TV presentation about the Sadistic Torturer, Eunice Spry. Recollections of three people who spent two decades in her care

by AndersonsInfo in

jehovah's witness sadistic torturer eunice spry.

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sadistic torturer eunice sprythe recollections of three people who spend two decades in the care of foster mother eunice spry, wh.... .

OrphanCrow

oops...I see rip has it...

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Pathetic manipulation at the Zone Visit to the Mexico Branch (Central America)

by avaddohn94 in

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gb helper robert luccioni paid a visit to the branch that oversees mexico and central america and, you can probably imagine all the "excitement" among the witnesses who were tied in via internet.. this time they really emphasized that none of the information that was shared during such a "magnificent" event was to be posted on social media.

the fact that they are becoming more secretive should alert anyone about the dangers posed by cult-like religions but, truth be told, that is a very difficult thing to understand from within.. still, this picture might be of help!

in the end, luccioni's objective as representative of the governing body was very clear: money!

OrphanCrow

sir82
They're either really desperate, or really stupid, to beg money from poverty-stricken Central Americans.

It isn't so much what the money means to 'them' - it is what it means to those who are poor - the money represents an investment that keeps them invested, not just financially, but also emotionally. The money is symbolic of trust and loyalty and works psychologically in a very real way.

That small amount of money translates into a high degree of loyalty - in effect, the poor JWs are actually paying for their own loyalty to the organization - the more a person has invested in a relationship, the harder it is to leave.

It matters less to the organization as to actual dollars that they get - and more that what is given is as much as the person can give.

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Jail those who turn a blind eye to child abuse, says Cameron

by JHK in

teachers, social workers who work with children and councillors could face up to five years in prison if they turn a blind eye to child abuse under proposals to be set out on tuesday by david cameron.

[...].

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/03/david-cameron-child-abuse-ignore-jail.

OrphanCrow

what else is the choice ?

Do the same as Canada does. Make it mandatory for everyone to report suspected child abuse. That way, if a JW decides to report to the elders instead of the authorities, they also are legally culpable.

They already do with culpable damaging results and effects.
I know where your coming from Orphan Crow , with the uselessly redundant investigation such as were there two witnesses etc.

It isn't just the two witness rule that is damaging. Just questioning a child who is suspected of being a victim of sexual abuse re-traumatizes the child. People who are not professionals should not be questioning the child at any time. That is why the elders should never be allowed to investigate - as soon as there is a report of suspected child abuse, the elders should immediately call the proper authorities who have access to professionals who know how to handle the investigation without further harming the victim.

The elders should not even have the option to investigate. They should not be allowed to question the victim. By doing so, they are not only harming the victim, they are obstructing justice. Their inept handling of child abuse allegations can, and does, result in the mishandling of testimony and evidence.

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Jail those who turn a blind eye to child abuse, says Cameron

by JHK in

teachers, social workers who work with children and councillors could face up to five years in prison if they turn a blind eye to child abuse under proposals to be set out on tuesday by david cameron.

[...].

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/03/david-cameron-child-abuse-ignore-jail.

OrphanCrow

Finkelstein: In regards to the WTS. what this organization should do in these situations is go through a investigation on their own and determine if local police authorities should be called in for their own investigation.

I disagree.

Nobody inside the WTS/JWs - nobody - should initiate an investigation.

All cases of suspected child abuse should be reported to the authorities. The WTS is not an authority - they only think they are. It is not up to anybody except the proper authorities to determine if abuse has happened. Investigation by the WTS or their representative entities should never enter into the picture. They are not qualified to conduct an investigation of any kind, and their investigative practices only lead to harming the victim further.

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Jail those who turn a blind eye to child abuse, says Cameron

by JHK in

teachers, social workers who work with children and councillors could face up to five years in prison if they turn a blind eye to child abuse under proposals to be set out on tuesday by david cameron.

[...].

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/03/david-cameron-child-abuse-ignore-jail.

OrphanCrow

Simon: It should apply to everyone. I cannot think of any possible reason why leaving a child to suffer should ever be excusable.

In Canada (except for the Yukon), mandatory reporting is required by everyone. Every single Canadian citizen is responsible for reporting suspected child abuse.

Mandatory reporting policies have been put in place for most professions, but...the legal statutes of Canada concerning the mandatory reporting of suspected child abuse applies to everybody.

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Jail those who turn a blind eye to child abuse, says Cameron

by JHK in

teachers, social workers who work with children and councillors could face up to five years in prison if they turn a blind eye to child abuse under proposals to be set out on tuesday by david cameron.

[...].

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/03/david-cameron-child-abuse-ignore-jail.

OrphanCrow

Cameron believes his plan to extend the offence of wilful neglect beyond the health service and adult social care sector to a far wider group of public service workers will send out a message that child abuse can no longer be regarded as a second order issue by public service workers. He hopes the reforms will herald a culture change and come close to meaning that public service workers would lose criminal immunity if they failed to report or act on clear evidence of abuse.

That's cool. Now the next step is to question why family members who know of the abuse aren't held to the same standard.

Anybody - including mothers and grandmothers - who knows a child is being abused and fails to report it, should be charged right along with the abuser.

Far too often, when I hear and read stories from survivors who were raped by their fathers, they speak of the mother knowing the abuse was going on. In those cases, the mothers should also be charged.

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Will JW's become a pedophile attraction ?

by cookiemaster in

with all this publicity of how they protect pedophiles and how they instruct members to not report them, could it be possible that jw's will become an attraction for pedos ?

will we see a chance in doctrine?

will gibberish buddies admit there's a problem in the borg?

OrphanCrow

A person could hope that the publicity would deter pedos from joining the JWs. However, pedos are predatory in nature, and they also think that they are smart enough not to get caught.

I do think that there will be some pedophiles who will target the JWs after they hear that children are so poorly protected within the organization.

Of course, a predatory pedophile will latch onto any opportunity to play out their sickness, regardless of the consequences. It would be myopic to think that deterring pedophiles would result from media exposure because the exposure could very well attract the sickos who don't believe they will be caught.