Posts by OrphanCrow

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Does the royal commission have the power to force the Jws to change how abuse is handled?

by hoser in

i'm wondering if this is just a hearing or if this commission has teeth?.

some very damning things coming out nonetheless .

OrphanCrow

Justice McClellan’s statement on redress and civil litigation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiiDnR-bBcY

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in my opinion, i believe that from the time a child is molested...and seeks a parent or guardian for help...these are critical hours in which proper authorities, and doctors have a chance to collect very important evidence.. waiting for the next meeting, or waiting for a group of non qualified men to "look into" the situation.....in my opinion compromises evidence, and elders should be held responsible for tampering with evidence...telling families to wait on jehovah.. just sayin..

OrphanCrow

brandnew: Waiting for the next meeting, or waiting for a group of non qualified men to "look into" the situation.....in my opinion compromises evidence, and elders should be held responsible for tampering with evidence...telling families to wait on jehovah.

You are right. But it goes even father than that - the unqualified elders questioning victims corrupts the evidence. Dealing with the memories of abuse and sorting through the events is a difficult process and the elders interference in the victim's testimony can distort and invalidate the victim's memories of events.

It is not just the waiting - it is the process itself which is damaging to evidence. The chairman - Justice McClelland - has pointed this out over and over again - that the process is flawed at the core. Requiring only men to question and make judgements about victim's testimony suppresses the evidence - so much of what happened to the victim never gets addressed because of the male authority figures themselves.

What this commission is doing is exposing the fundamental power imbalance within the JW religion. Men having the ultimate authority is damaging to the victim before any testimony is heard at all. The male only structure is a deep, deep flaw in the whole system that underpines the WTS and the religion itself.

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Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

OrphanCrow

Mad Sweeney: I would expect the UK and other European nations to be next. The USA will be last to follow most likely.

I anticipate a Canadian response at some point. This country has been fairly quiet up to this point on the issue of child abuse within the JW religion.

Canada has a good record of handling historic abuses by establishing Commissions and giving voice and restitution for victims.

Smaller countries seem to be more transparent - it is hard to hide within small populations. Maybe the victims in this cold northern land will brave the weather and start to come forward. All it will take is a brave legal team to start a class action.

Lifeistooshort: I love what you said about changing silent lambs to roaring lions.

Ah, yes...that roaring lion that the WT has depicted as standing and threatening the JWs is going to turn around and bite the WTS right where it hurts - and I hope that it takes a great big bite.

This crow can transform to a mama lioness pretty fast - mama lionesses like to hunt. And they don't like it when cubs are in danger.

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Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

OrphanCrow

On the Wayout: Are we at the tip of the iceberg?

Yes, I believe so.

This Royal Commission is going to act as a trigger for many victims. Victims suppress their experiences in unsafe environments - they stuff their feelings and don't process what happened because it isn't safe to do so.

The Royal Commission is creating an environment of safety and it is that concern and caring that will allow many other victims the supportive enviironment that they need in order to deal with what happened to them.

The victims will come forward...more and more of them to add their voice to the existence of others like them. It is a team effort and the team will continue to grow and grow until their voices are powerful enough to be heard around the world.

And yes, I think that Morris addressing the issue will add to the triggers that will encourage children and adults to seek out information about child abuse. They will begin to understand that the abuse they have suffered is NOT normal - the abuse has been normalized within the systemic abusive environment of the JW religion.

The victims are starting to speak and as the shout begins to grow, more will add their voice.

Scream it from the rooftops...and don't stop until all have been heard.

Let's change the silent lambs to roaring lions.

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[Day 2 - 28/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

i decided to take one for the team and stay up to record day 2.. part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 and 3 will soon be available.. part 1: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxspcullksa&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=4.

playlist where the other parts will be added as i upload them, it also contains day 1 recorded by barbara:.

OrphanCrow

LoveUni: Unbelievable that when the judge inquired about how the elders put the victim at ease, Jackson assumed he meant the accused!

Not only that, Jackson called the victim "the guilty party". Not just once, but twice.

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It's all so confusing!

by kairos in

jw
friends

all the abuse issues are exploding all over the world.. what is it's root?.

1. satan.

2. lying apostates.

OrphanCrow

Prologos, you mention several professions, etc, that you claim have rampant sex abuse problems. However, can you say that these entities make the victims face internal judical committees without going through the proper legal processes for justice?

I think you are comparing apples to oranges. What is happening right now with the Royal Commission in Australia is that the Institutional policies on how child abuse is handled are being examined, not whether or not some celebrity or military person committes a crime.

perhaps from a woman's stand/view point, but for a male it may be about frustrating hormone levels.

Rape is about forcibly satisfying those "frustrating" hormone levels. If you cannot see that rape is about exerting power over the object of that sexual frustration...well....I am at a loss for words. Unless, of course, you wouldn't mind being that object of sexual desire for a guy who is stronger and bigger than you who forces you ro bend over and touch your toes so he can satistfy those frustrating urges that he doesn't think he should have to control. If that happened to you would you say that it was about sex? Or about him exerting his power over you?

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It's all so confusing!

by kairos in

jw
friends

all the abuse issues are exploding all over the world.. what is it's root?.

1. satan.

2. lying apostates.

OrphanCrow

Imbalance of power.

The more patriarchal the environment, the greater the imbalance of power.

Child abusers act out their abnormal need for power - child abuse is rape. Rape is not about sex - it is about power.

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Wednesday Hearings LIVE LINK NOW

by Mad Sweeney in

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

OrphanCrow

Dumplin: I am having the same problem.

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This is getting more and more disgusting: "JW Abuse Victim Told to Bottle Her Tears"

by cappytan in

it took six years and three trials before a senior official in the jehovah's witness church was jailed for sexually abusing his daughter.. the only support the jehovah's witnesses gave the woman was to tell her to" put her tears in a skin bottle".. .

source: http://goo.gl/pjgy7p.

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OrphanCrow

I was floored when I heard that the victim was told that. It is reprehensible.

That aside, though, "Tears in a Skin Bottle" would make a good tilte for a book/movie. Or maybe a song...

Maybe both. A movie about all of this, with a soundtrack...tears in a skin bottle...blood running down my cheeks...

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Hundreds of JW Child Molesters in Australia not Reported to Police- CNN News you tube

by flipper in

i felt it might be a good idea to post this so that sitting on the fence jw's or jw lurkers can see that this australia jw child abuse news of 1,006 jw child molesters not being reported to police by elders is a reality that has hit mainstream news media.

i thought this report was very well done.

here's the link : http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/07/28/australia-jehovah-witness-sex-abuse-hannigan-lklv.cnn.

OrphanCrow

flipper: These crimes are way more common than we realize. And these are just the ones we KNOW about. Can you imagine how many of these child abuse cases are out there ? I shudder to think. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

I think that the Commission is well aware that there are many unreported cases within the JWs. The lawyer for the victim addrressed how the process of the judical system in place within their oganization stops those who are timid or scared from even coming forward. The testimony of the elders as to the harshness of the process is damning. The implications of this is not lost on the Commission.