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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

EdenOne: In your timeline, do you see anything - such as a technological breakthrough in separating blood fractions - that mirrors the change in the theological doctrine (or vice-versa)? I imagine there might be one. If that connection could be established, it would be one hell of a 'smoking gun'.

Absolutely. The trail of "medical breakthroughs" mirror the shifting stance of the WTS on blood fractions. And other technology that relates to the bloodless world.

I have found several historical medical studies that reveal what was being done to JW patients - procedures that would later get approval from the WTS, yet the studies would need cooperation from a recruiter to accomplish - which reveals that someone in the JWs knew the studies were being conducted. There are clinical trials designed specifically for JWs as the test group - the latest one got changed to a compassionate use program. This has often been the case - JWs are used to identify a need for drugs and procedures that don't meet FDA approval, yet can be distributed under the compassionate program.

It is how several drugs and procedures have made it to market - Fluosol-D 20% is one that used JWs as a testing group. The Japanese firm that manufactured it approached Dr. Ron Lapin back in the early 80s asking him to try it out on the JWs in the States who came to him for treatment. JWs were the first to use Flousol-DA 20 in the States. Fluosol-DA 20% was eventually taken off the market.

And, to bring it right up to date, the Hemopure that the HLC lovingly provide access to, is not an FDA approved product. The JW community is facilitating the product's use in the States by demanding compassionate use. The Society's approval of Hemopure mirrored the industry's need for a clinical trial group and, when that privilege was pulled by the FDA because of the risk factors being too high, the JWs keep it on the market through the FDA compassionate program.

The WTS and their JW bloodless men are all out there pushing their scare tactics directed towards the "risks of blood!!" yet they fail to mention that the risks of using Hemopure outweigh the risks of using allogenic blood transfusions.

According to studies of outcomes of transfusions given to trauma patients in 2008,[15] blood substitutes yielded a 30% increase in the risk of death and about a threefold increase in the chance of having a heart attack for the recipients. More than 3,711 patients were tested in sixteen studies using five types of artificial blood.[16] Public Citizen sued the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to attain information on the duration of these studies which were found to have been conducted from 1998 until 2007. The FDA permits artificial blood transfusions in the USA without informed consent under a special exemption from requirements of informed consent during traumatic care.

The artificial blood referred to in the last sentence is Polyheme - not approved by the WTS because it is made from human blood.

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OMG They are right here in River City!

by myway2007 in

jw
friends

jacksonville, fl - the local newspaper had an article on the convention going on for the next two weekends.

while i could not find the article, i was able to find this slide show of this weekend's events.

the newspaper article was interesting as it discussed what a wonderful job they were doing cleaning the arena seats and bathrooms and everyone was enjoying their job.

OrphanCrow

oppostate: Indeed, and the "Society" is assigning retiring CO's to the area as well. Apparently there's a need and it's considered fertile ground for expansion.

Either that, or the bloodless hospital in Jacksonville needs some patients.

http://www.baptistjax.com/about-us/newsroom/news-releases/bloodless-medicine-and-surgery-program-comes-to-baptist-medical-center-beaches

Maybe they can use the convention as an opportunity to pass out brochures:

http://cdn.baptistjax.com/images/bloodless-medicine-brochure.pdf

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Is the Org Putting Elders in the Firing Line?

by The Searcher in

in view of the conti verdict of negligence by the org, are elders who are selected by the c.o.

now in a precarious position?

"charity trustees face potential liabilities in a number of ways.

OrphanCrow

The elders will now face the same legal challenges and responsibilities that a main stream's clergy and pastors do. The appointment is a reflection on the organization's change over to a "religious" structure - the elders are the clergy. The JW elders would do well to educate themselves on the legal culpability their positions will place on them.

Whatever applies to the "clergy", in terms of liability, will probably apply to them. If so, I wonder if it will go both ways? Will the WTS be held accountable for provision of certain benefits to their "clergy"? Will the elder position eventually become a paid position, like a pastor or minister or priest? Or will the elders just continue to be the unpaid clergy for the WTS? Would that be considered a taxable donation to the WTS - volunteer hours given back to the "charity"?

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

jerryminor:...I had no idea of the blood management industry.

The top dog at Haemonetics, Brian Concannon, pulled down over 5 million last year. He was the fellow who worked for the same company as Reibling at one time, back in the days that Haemonetics was just a twinkle in someone's eye - American Hospital Supply Corp. was the parent company that manufactured early cell saver technology.

The blood management industry is tied into the world of biotechnology, it is part of it - technologies like artificial blood, stem cells, and bloodless surgery are all part of the same industry. Blood management has been born from that industry - the bloodless medicine world. Entering the biotech investment world is like playing roulette at the casino with thousand dollar bills while everybody else is playing penny ante over on the rummy table.

For some background read on the volatile world of biotechnology and the investors that drive it, this is a good read:

The Golden Cell by Karen Van Kempen

Another company that you can take a peek at is the one that manufactures the blood substitute that the JWs push, the one that doesn't have FDA approval yet - Hemopure. The company has changed names and locations rapidly over the years - it was once known as Biopure - I am not sure who they are now or where exactly. It is hard to stay on pace with that world. And the scandal surrounding the founder of Hemopure is interesting.

Petraglyph:
Hello,
Really good thread OrphanCrow. You've done a lot of commendable research.
This is my first post after lurking for at least a couple of years.
When I was studying for my MBA in the UK we covered a case study on an upmarket restaurant chain and the lecturer shared that he had visited the one in Brooklyn. He commented that this was one of the places the Jehovah's Witnesses used to entertain their business associates and he remarked that they were a very wealthy organisation. I thought that quite interesting at the time.
I think you may find Open Corporates useful for your research..."

Thanks, Petra. I will use that resource, I am sure. Every once in a while it is handy to track down the owners and investors.

About the WT entertaining business associates - I ran into a comment by Henwood in a court document that spoke of the "expensive entertaining" that he would engage in with the WT people in the paper department.

Henwood was the fellow who was the salesman that negotiated the paper contracts for the WT several years ago. It got messy, Henwood ended up in court in 2004...it was a mess. He was receiving an exorbitant salesman commission on inflated paper prices.

The WT paper department got an overhaul - another Society man was brought in and heads rolled - not sure what happened internally, but the court document's that involved Henwood are publicly available. The one court document I was never able to track down was Rittenbach's testimony, the Society man who cleaned up the mess.

The links to the documents are just past halfway down this page:

Henwood and the Watchtower

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

problemaddict: Can you elaborate on the last part of it?

I will try.

Let's work backwards first. Australia's entire health care system is now following the "blood management" protocol. It is no longer an industry specifically targeting the JW community - blood management is embedded in many countries' health care systems.

Countries like Canada, that have publicly funded health care systems, have already adopted the blood management approach in hospital across Canada - an approach that relies heavily on the bloodless medicine strategies promoted by the Jehovah's Witnesses themselves. The bloodless industry that spawned blood management (an approach based on a cost/profit model) is run by and managed by primarily Jehovah's Witnesses who don't declare their affiliation with a religion that bans blood.

In the States, and other places, medical clinics that offer the bloodless surgery are mostly owned and administered by Jehovah's Witnesses. The bloodless surgery and blood management promotional material, like books and films, are Watchtower produced. The bloodless industry has a heavy debt to owe to the Watchtower's investment in promoting it - and the JWs who have made money in the production of that anti-blood propaganda.

Jehovah's Witnesses are now making decisions for how blood is to be administered globally - they are firmly embedded in countries around the world - and each and every blood management society can trace its roots to the father of them all - the Society for the Advancement of Blood Management which is an organization founded by Jehovah's Witnesses.

The bloodless cult is the WTS cult. They are one and the same. The bloodless industry owes its very existence, not just to the JWs who died for it, but to the Watchtower Society and the JWs who created it.

And just think of all the donations the Watchtower Society would lose if all those many, many JWs who work in the blood management field lost their source of income. That would take a big bite out of the donation box. The bloodless JWs are good earners and have the money to donate. The Watchtower Society has created quite the perpetual loop.

Now the whole world is getting caught up into it. Blood management - the Golden Standard of Care. Just like those old whacked out Golden Age guys predicted back in the 20s - science would herald in the New World.

It looks like there are still a lot of people like those pre-JWs who still believe in the WTS' golden promise - the JWs who are invested heavily in the world of biotechnology have certainly taken it to heart and created their own cult from it.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

There is a huge market in the medical tourism industry and the JW bloodless demand is creating its own little niche in that market.

http://www.placidway.com/article/983/Bloodless-Surgery-Options-for-Jehovah-Witnesses

This is a list of Placidway's partners who provide service. I haven't had the time to track them down, but it might be interesting to see who is behind the medical tourism of bloodless surgery for JWs.

http://www.placidway.com/partners.php

The first US medical tourist for bloodless surgery in India was an American JW:

India is widely known as a key and preferred, low-cost destination for medical tourism among other Asian developing and African countries. In recent years, it has also emerged as a key destination even for citizens of Western countries. As an example, in December 2011, Jack Jones, a Jehovah’s Witness whose faith barred him from having blood transfusions, made headlines for being the first U.S. citizen to undergo a bloodless surgery in India.

http://www.bmmllp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/India-Law-News-Spring-Early-Summer-2012.pdf

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

You are welcome, Millie.

I had pointed out the Global Taurus expansion in India, their real estate concerns, and how that links to the JW expansion in that country. Another industry that has seen recent expansion in India is the bloodless industry - the one that is propelled and promoted by the SABM - the other JW cult - the one that deals in restricting blood and profits from it.

This is a recent article from India about how bloodless surgery is impacting the health care in India:

Bloodless surgeries grow from niche to volume play

By Vandana Kamath, Bangalore Mirror Bureau | Mar 19, 2014

Many city doctors, however, are now providing alternative treatment to community members. In fact, more than 100 surgeons are performing surgeries without blood transfusion for community members with focus on promoting medical tourism in the city.
Bangalore doctors have now become so adept at performing bloodless surgeries that they are getting Jehovah's Witnesses patients from other cities and countries. The city has several super speciality hospitals which perform bloodless surgeries, and there are even dedicated centres.

Ironically, the article has this little note at the bottom:

WHO ARE THE JW?
Jehovah's Witnesses is a sect with Christian background, but with beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity. They believe that receiving blood from others is a violation of the Biblical commandment as God himself asked them to abstain from blood.

I would like to change that to::

Who is the blood management society that set the standards for the bloodless industry that your article speaks about?

It is SABM. They have set the standards for global blood management.

SABM is a society of Jehovah's Witnesses. The JWs themselves are the ones who profit financially from this new "bloodless" technology. The JWs that you speak about in your note are simply the ones who create a market for the profit of those who tell them what to do.

For a fairly update discussion on the state of blood management in subcontinent India, this is a complete article:

Surgical management in treatment of Jehovah's witness in trauma surgery in Indian subcontinent

It is a lengthy article but has good information in it. It tells you how a JW is handled in trauma, and the alternative drugs and treatments that they are given.

Here is something interesting. Who is medi-coin,com ? Apparently, if you have the foresight to pay attention to the JW growth in in India, and jump on the other WTS cult - the bloodless one - you can invest in the Indian bloodless market. *to add - their website says this "Golden Standard Health Care - Patient Driven - Saving Lives - Best Outcomes". Of course that is JW driven - who else drives and promotes that market?

All sorts of opportunities for investing in that market.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/wwwmedi-coincom/139878726022978

Or maybe...you could get into the travel business - you know, for that medical tourism trade to India.

*to add - I am having a difficult time with reconciling the paradox of allowing a tiny little group of people with radical views about medicine, direct and control the world's blood supply. There is something inherently wrong with that. It isn't right. That would be like telling me that the abortion clinic I am going to is actually owned by the Pope. Or that the profits from the birth control industry is what pays for his fancy robes.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

What interests me about the WTS is the profits of the "side cults" that it has generated and promoted. One of them, that I have touched on earlier in this post, is the blood management industry. I am going to move a post I made on another forum to here:
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I have spent a considerable amount ot time looking at the blood management world and I continue to get lost in it periodically. I have posted about certain key figures who are JWs, most of them Watchtower trained men as Hospital Liaison fellows. What I haven't posted, though, is a comprehensive list of all the other Jehovah's Witnesses health professionals, administrators, promoters, etc., who are part of the blood management tree. I think why I have never done that is that there are so many and I have been busy exposing just a select few JWs that are in the blood management limelight.
I am astounded by the number of Jehovah's Witnesses who work in the blood management industry. But, it is not surprising, considering that the entire blood management industry owes its rapid emergence onto the global playing field to a Jehovah's Witness coalition who founded the Society for the Advancement of Blood Management in 2001. The past 14 years has seen an explosion of like societies, all stemming from that first JW society - a blood society that was made up almost entirely of members of the Watchtower Society.
I have tried to place the significance of that into some sort of comparison to illustrate why the Jehovah's Witnesses being in charge of global blood management is so, so, so wrong. It has taken me a while to wrap my head around the concept and the closest I can come is to try to imagine the Catholic Church's abortion stance being taken to another level.
Before I do that, though, keep in mind the demographic difference - I am going to compare a very large religion to a tiny, fringe religion. The JWs are minuscule in comparison to the Catholic Church. That is why their over representation in the blood management world is so alarming - if there was just a few scattered here and there, fine...but, the reality is far from that.
Imagine "Societies for the Advancement of Abortion Control" that are sponsored by the biotechnology companies that could remover fetuses and grow them to term. Imagine if those societies had been put in place by the Catholic Church and had got their start by convincing young Catholic girls to go through the procedure - telling them "It isn't really an abortion." Imagine entire countries changing their health care systems to the goals of those societies.
What if the abortion "rules" of the Catholic Church changed as biotechnology changed - and then it was found out that bigwig Catholics were the ones who were tied to that biotechnology?
Maybe someday I will have the time to compile a list to show the magnitude of the JW over representation in the blood management world, or better yet...someone can take it on for a project - it would take a lot of time.
In the meantime, I will continue with revealing the roots of the bloodless industry and how it is intimately linked to the JWs and the Watchtower Society. The global medical market has been groomed very carefully by the WTS for many decades and just now, with the emergence of the blood management influence on entire countries, it is finally revealed how the blood transfusion ban impacts, not only the individual JW exercising their human right to die for God - but each and every person outside of those who agree to die so that the JWs in the blood management/bloodless industry can profit.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

vidiot: ...if the WTS were to lose its "charitable" status, guys like Reibling wouldn't be able to get tax breaks on whatever (presumably huge) donations they make...
...which could, in turn, make the WT heirarchy very anxious about the Org's future solvency.

Excellent observation, Vidiot. Of course that would be a HUGE repercussion for the wealthy JWs who use the WTS for tax donations. If the WTS lost tax status, they would lose the benefit of their wealthy patrons.

Oh well, the Reiblings will just set up another foundation or something...but it will come at a cost - they would lose their propaganda tool in their "risk management" toolbox.

*you are welcome, EdenOne. Thank you for the encouragement. I feel overwhelmed at times - what I find is so nutty that I get embarrassed to post it at times - you know...all that "conspiracy theory" crap and stuff. Oh well, I will keep looking at tuna fish sandwiches and seeing if the sandwiches are black with white stripes down their back...

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Star Of Bethlehem To Appear July 3, 2015? Oh Really?

by millie210 in

this meeting in the sky is known as a conjunction.

this conjunction between jupiter and venus usually isnt rare, but this is the closest they will have been in 2,000 years!

together, they create the rare star of bethlehem.

OrphanCrow

Hmmmm....I wonder how many virgins will get pregnant this time.