Posts by OrphanCrow

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Jehovah's witnesses owe much to the catolic church

by TheWonderofYou in

jehovahs witness owe the bible to the catolic church,the church was the authority that put the bible together, and jehovahs witnesses owe the name jehovah a catolic monk.

jehovash witnesses owe the catolic church the sowing of the field where they are now preaching.. otherwise after leaving the jw i got a much better understanding of christianity and the cc..

OrphanCrow

Ah, yes...the Catholic Church - the mother of them all.

Excommunicated Catholics are denied the communion - the JWs don't drink the wine or eat the bread.

The Jehovah's witnesses are just apostate Catholics.

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Jehovah's Witness woman refuses blood, then dies.

by Lee Elder in

another jehovah's witness woman has died while giving birth due to massive blood loss and refusing a blood transfusion.

she leaves nine children behind.

she finally consented to the transfusion but it was too late to save her.

OrphanCrow

millie: They dont have all the access to bloodless products that are available in first world countries.
Wonder if they've thought that one over?

Of course they have, How do you think blood management societies, and the accompanying technology that goes along with "bloodless medicine", get their commercial interests into third world countries?

Demand = market.

The WTS has thought this one over very well - the JW blood transfusion ban propels third world markets in bloodless technology (bloodless surgery and artificial blood). They don't care if a bunch of people die as long as the profits are rolling in.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

My goodness, Mr. JW Lorenz Reibling sure gets around...he was in Israel back in 2013 - I guess he was looking out for his investments in that country. I wonder if his 'risk management plan' for increasing the sense of urgency in real estate markets (he describes this in the 2013 video) has anything at all to do with the recent JW missionary push in Israel.

Grapevine: Talking peace at the grassroots level

■ THERE WERE quite a number of prominent figures at the festive cocktail party hosted at Beit Hatfutsot by Edouard Cukierman, chairman of Cukierman Investment House and managing partner of the Catalyst Fund, to launch the annual Go4Europe conference.
One of the conference’s keynote speakers was Baron David de Rothschild, chairman of the Rothschild Group, who specially came from France for the occasion. He didn’t make it to Israel in time for the cocktail party, but did come to grace the podium the following day.
Coincidentally, one of the exhibitions at Beit Hatfutsot honors the memory and work of Jehezkiel David Kirszenbaum, whose patron was the baron’s mother, Alix de Rothschild.
Rothschild was not the only conference participant to come from Europe for the conference.
Others included: Maximo Buch, Valencia’s economy, industry, tourism and employment minister; David Hatchwell Altaras, vice president of the Federation of Spanish Jews, head of the Madrid Jewish community and CEO of Excem, which inter alia markets Israeli technology in Spain and South America; French film director and scriptwriter Elie Chouraqui; Pierre Lellouche, president of NATO’s Parliamentary Assembly; Dr. Christopher Proctor, CSO of British American Tobacco; Luc Muller, CEO of the German Otto Group; Dr. Florent Gros, head of Novartis Venture Funds; Prof. Lorenz Reibling, chairman of Taurus Investment Holdings; and Maurice Levy, CEO of Publicis, the giant Paris-headquartered multinational advertising and public relations firm.

The Reibling brothers, Lorenz and Geunther, have had business dealings in North America for some time - they ran Taurus Construction back in the 90s. And they weren't all that honest about it, either.

https://scholar.google.ca/scholar_case?case=7300288450507725103&q=reibling&hl=en&as_sdt=2006

AFFIRMED. As to the civil theft judgment, there was evidence that appellant, Taurus Construction, Inc., used (for the benefit of another corporation) residual construction funds intended to be deposited in a "rent reserve" account to insure that investors received a guaranteed return on their investment.

crazyguy: Knorr pushed the blood doctrine in 1945 I'm wondering if there's away to see if her had any connections to these men from Germany?

Yup, it sure would be interesting to know who Knorr was meeting with when he made his trips to Germany after Rutherford died.

He likely had those contacts already set up from the times he went there with Rutherford on business. Interestingly enough, Knorr and Franz were not the ones that Rutherford had named to be his successor - Hayden Covington was. Knorr and Franz shoved Convington out of the WTS power circle on the excuse that Convington wasn't one of the "anointed". Rather ironic, isn't it?

Once Rutherford was out of the way, and Knorr had control, the plight of the JWs in the SS camps became much, much better. Henrich Himmler really liked the JWs - in fact, he had plans to use the JWs as a vanguard in conquered territories after the war - the JWs didn't bear arms and they had a compatible ideology to the Nazis. Himmler thought that the JWs would be excellent for controlling the people in the Thousand Year Reign of the Reich. Himmler really liked the JWs. A lot.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler

Some information and observations of recent date have led me to draw up plans that I would like to bring to your attention. This concerns Jehovah’s Witnesses. . . . How are we going to govern and pacify Russia when . . . we will have conquered vast areas of its territory? . . . All forms of religion and the pacifist sects must be supported . . . , among all the others the beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is well-known that the latter have characteristics incredibly positive for us: Apart from the fact that they refuse military service and anything to do with war . . . , they are incredibly reliable, do not drink, do not smoke; they are relentless workers and of rare honesty. For them the spoken word stands. These are ideal characteristics . . . , enviable qualities.

And not only that - the JWs were extremely loyal - they would do anything that the WTS told them to - including dying for the bloody doctrine - they would give up their children to the Blood God. Just like the women who gave their children to Hitler, they would give their children to "Jehovah".

There is an account in a book about the Lebensborn maternity homes that were established by Himmler - the book is Of Pure Blood (pg. 104) - that tells of a Lebensborn woman who converted to the JWs:

…Frau S., for instance, who presented a son to the Fuhrer at Steinhoring in 1943, is now an active Jehovah’s Witness. "Then Hitler was my god," she told us. "Since then, I have found the only true God."

Many SS officers and guards converted to the JWs during and after the war. Surprisingly enough, something else that happened after Rutherford died, was that the JWs in the camps in Germany were spread around in the general population, no longer kept in groups so much, and they encountered little resistance to their preaching efforts.

Himmler had a vision that extended far beyond the end of the war.

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Watchtower Charter-A Danger to GB?

by TakeOffTheCrown in

the following link is a pdf of the charter for the watchtower bible and tract society of new york as of 2003:.

https://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-of-new-york-charter-and-certificate-of-incorporation.pdf.

my question: is the governing body in danger of removal if they do not adhere to the charter?.

OrphanCrow

Millie, the Governing Body doesn't get the assets - the assets would go to "an organization designated by the Governing Body".

That designated organization has to also be a nonprofit organization. Lol! Never fear - the WTS octopus has many arms that could accept that transfer of assets! Or...they can just make up another nonprofit - that is pretty easy to do.

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Watchtower Charter-A Danger to GB?

by TakeOffTheCrown in

the following link is a pdf of the charter for the watchtower bible and tract society of new york as of 2003:.

https://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-of-new-york-charter-and-certificate-of-incorporation.pdf.

my question: is the governing body in danger of removal if they do not adhere to the charter?.

OrphanCrow

But, but....who is the Watchtower and Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania?

This is the charter for Watchtower and Bible Society of New York, Inc.. If this corporation is dissolved, all assets go to the WTBS in Pennsylvania. (Ninth resolution)

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

I posted a lot of material in my last post, and the Boston College video is especially long and dense.

But, if you watch anything, do watch the 2013 REFIRE video. That is the creepiest video of them all - Reibling, an active and prominent JW, never once mentions Jehovah's Witnesses or the WTS in his talk to a roomful of white shirted white men, but he talks about the ideology of the organization in the video. I couldn't breathe when I was watching it and it took a long time for my heart to quit pounding.

Shadow organization? Absolutely. Creepy as hell. Chilling.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

To take the topic away from the medical aspect of Lorenz Reibling's background, and back to his Taurus Investments, the first video I posted has Lorenz in Argentina, giving an interview about the real estate market, both in the US, and potential projects in Argentina.

Did anyone notice the edits/cuts? They often occurred when Lorenz was looking to someone off-camera to the right of the frame. He was getting coached. I wonder who was with him - Lorenz stumbled around a bit at times.

That video was posted recently - June 2015.

Here is Professor Reibling in 2014, speaking about a Texas venture. They say everything is bigger in Texas - I wonder how that turned out for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvjrqTsOGg

This next video I would like to re-title "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About the Watchtower Society's Real Estate Decisions" or, "Rebling Explains 'Risk Management' in Terms Jehovah's Witnesses Understand Without Saying Jehovah's Witnesses or Armageddon". The video is from 2013 - consider how, in New York, the GB "were waiting on Jehovah for the go-ahead on a project."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAyXbrNZNCI

Here are a few places in the video that made me go hmmmm...:

8:40 - audience shot - creepy

11:40 - instructions on how to ignore gut feelings

15:30 - Germans think Americans are inferior

17:00 - here is the secret to control of their team - their loyalty is bound by a common loyalty to another group

27:00 - US is great market - wages down, production up

28:00 - they have a partner for life.... ???!!??

Consider the role distributing propaganda in certain areas/countries has on property prices. Consider the expansions, sell-offs...etc, of the WTS.

For anyone who would like to continue looking through little wee doorways, and playing with the crazy mirrors...tumble down this next rabbit hole. I watched the entire video but I don't expect many have the time to watch it all - but the video will be especially interesting to anyone who has excavated the JWs in WW2.

The video is of a panel held in Boston 2011 - the moderator is Professor Lorenz Reibling,

Panelists Klaus Scharioth, the ambassador to the United States from the Federal Republic of Germany; Detlef Garbe, director at the Neuengamme (Hamburg) Memorial; Peter C. Hoffmann, the William Kingsford Professor of History at McGill University; Robert Buckley, consultant for the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C.; John Michalczyk, chair of the Department of Fine Arts at Boston College; and Lorenz Reibling, faculty member in Boston College's Woods College of Advancing Studies; discuss the spiritual, military, and philosophical resistance against the oppression of the Third Reich.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnO7W4MDGeE

There is so much left out in the account given by Garbe - it is apparent that most of the material he presented about the JWs was given to him to say, it is what he doesn't say that is telling - there is even one part where Reibling passes Garbe a note, Garbe reads it, and carefully counts off 5 or 6 pages, omitting information about the JWs. It is a creepy video - the Holocaust Museum speaker is another piece of work.

I couldn't help thinking, as I was watching the life of Lorenz unfold by peeling away the layers of his past, that he grew older the farther back in time I looked. He was an aging, humble, quiet spoken academic in 2011. He was rather shabby then - the change in profession seems to have been good for him. Either he is a great actor, or he is into some of those stay younger drug/herb programs.

It looks like money agrees with Professor Lorenz Reibling.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

Vidiot, I had said that i would just keep adding to this thread, so...for anyone interested in following up the connections and statements I had made earlier about the role of Germany in the pursuit of medicine that overlaps with the beginning of the blood ban and lines up ideologically with bloodless medicine, this following link has a good blog entry about science in Germany at the time of WW2:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/12/04/was-nazi-science-good-science/

Consider the callous and uncaring attitude of the WTS and how that compares to how prisoners were thought of - the who were used as medical experiments. When the article talks about " the killing of prisoners with direct injections of phenol into the heart" - that is the clotting agent I spoke of earlier. That is an early experiment with bloodless medicine.

Consider how admired the JW prisoners were by the leader of the SS. What did he admire? Their loyalty - their willingness to die for their Jehovah. How easy it was to convince them that Jehovah wanted them to refuse blood transfusions. How incredibly easy it was. And how loyal those JWs have been - always listening to the directions of the "Great Physician". A perfect medical experimental group.

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Radio Broadcast - 01/06/15 - Controversy over Shannon Farmer's involvement in Blood Management

by OrphanCrow in

mr. shannon farmer, the jw who is currently working with axel hoffman to implement blood management programs in europe, is the subject of a radio show in australia that aired on june 1, 2015.. http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/content/s4249605.htm.

controversy over blood management and blood transfusionsgovernments manage potential conflicts of interest all the time, but they seldom concern the very stuff running through our veins.the national blood authority's expert panel on blood transfusions includes one member who doesn't believe in blood transfusions at all.moreover, shannon farmer has a commercial interest in alternatives to blood transfusions.

newsradio's clive hunton reports from canberra.. listen to radio broadcast (8:55 min):.

OrphanCrow

nonjwspous: Please go to the YUKU forum of exjehovahs witnesses and look up birdwoman2. She is also doing exhaustive research into this. You two might find info from each other.

Hello, Nonnie. Lol! Who do you think I am?

Besides a crow, that is... :)

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Radio Broadcast - 01/06/15 - Controversy over Shannon Farmer's involvement in Blood Management

by OrphanCrow in

mr. shannon farmer, the jw who is currently working with axel hoffman to implement blood management programs in europe, is the subject of a radio show in australia that aired on june 1, 2015.. http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/content/s4249605.htm.

controversy over blood management and blood transfusionsgovernments manage potential conflicts of interest all the time, but they seldom concern the very stuff running through our veins.the national blood authority's expert panel on blood transfusions includes one member who doesn't believe in blood transfusions at all.moreover, shannon farmer has a commercial interest in alternatives to blood transfusions.

newsradio's clive hunton reports from canberra.. listen to radio broadcast (8:55 min):.

OrphanCrow

Umbertoecho: I do know these men are not or.....were not fully qualified for the job. I was suspicious as soon as pharmaceutical companies became involved.

As soon as I found out that they were JWs, my spidey sense was tingling. Lol!

Farmer and Hofmann are qualified, all right. Qualified in bloodless medicine. They promoted bloodless medicine - it is their baby, they are heavily invested in it, they have been in on the ground floor of bloodless technology. Both are founding members of the very first blood management society ever - the SABM. The bloodless medicine field did not develop outside of the JWs - it was developed by JWs. Who are making a piss pot full of money from it.

Personally, I find the whole field of bloodless medicine to be creepy. When I read of an account where a man was kept alive, suspended in a coma for 19 days without a drop of human blood in him, and the doctor reporting this event was so proud of that...well, it creeped me out. Imagine having all of your blood drained out of you and your body being held in suspension....for days and days.

And the creepiest thing of all? The ideology of bloodless medicine mirrors the JW ideology - the goals are the same - to live forever...here...on earth. And the replacement of human blood with artificial blood is just step in that direction. The same goals and the same promise.

*to add - that is why the blood transfusion ban will never entirely go away. Technologies like artificial blood still need subjects to test the limits on - treatment of every other patient has to follow a resuscitation model. JWs still have a purpose - to test the limits.