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  Pregnant women refuses blood

  by Giordano in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refusal-of-blood-transfusion-mother-and-baby-die#more-4001.

  a 28-year-old woman and her unborn child have died because of the womans decision not to accept a lifesaving blood transfusion.. doctors at the royal hospital for women and prince of wales hospital in randwick, sydney, australia, have described the harrowing effect on hospital staff of two otherwise avoidable deaths.. the woman, a jehovahs witness, was seven months into her pregnancy when it was discovered she had leukaemia.. amy corderoy, health editor, reporting in the sydney morning herald states,.

  more than 80% of pregnant women suffering from the cancer, called acute promyelocytic leukaemia, will go into remission with proper treatment, and the outlook for their babies is good.. .

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  OrphanCrow

  What is really disturbing about this incident is that it highlights the gender imbalance inside the JWs.

  JW women are at a higher risk of dying from refusing blood than the men who make up the rules are. JW women have no say whatsoever in making the rules, and they are the ones most affected by them.

  A core belief among members of the Jehovah’s Witness (JW) faith is that they will not accept blood transfusion or its primary components, including red and white blood cells, platelets and plasma, even when such transfusion could be life-saving1. This poses potential problems for obstetric services worldwide because obstetric haemorrhage remains a major cause of maternal mortality and morbidity2,3. Indeed, there is a general consensus that morbidity and mortality rates in association with childbirth are higher in these women than in the general population4–7. In the largest observational study in the USA, Singla et al. reported that JW women were at increased risk of maternal death and that blood loss was the major factor4. In the UK, the largest descriptive obstetric study of JW reported a 65-fold increased risk of maternal death compared to the national rate. In addition, there was significant haemorrhage (>1,000 mL) in 6% of all of Caesarean sections5.
  More recently, a study from the Netherlands reported that compared to the non-JW Dutch population, JW women had a 6-fold higher risk of all causes of maternal death, a 130-fold increased risk of maternal death because of major obstetric haemorrhage and a 3-fold higher risk of maternal morbidity because of obstetric haemorrhage6. Other earlier studies support these views, both for obstetric and gynaecological operations7.
  It is estimated that there are approximately 6 million JW worldwide, about 150,000 of whom reside in the UK. Thus JW women constitute a significant group at high surgical risk. Apart from menstrual blood loss and childbirth, the vulnerability of JW women as a group is further increased by the significant proportion of African women who are members, since these women have a high incidence of fibroid disease, and, therefore, a preponderance of menorrhagia and iron deficiency anaemia.

  When it comes to the blood doctrine, being a JW woman is a high risk position to take - far riskier than the men who tell them what to do.

  
  
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  Blood Transfusion: Letter of Understanding

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.

  "every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.

  then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".

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  I wish that document had been in place 40 years ago. My son would not have had to go through what he did if it had been. He would have got blood when he needed it.

  I had no choice in the matter - I was a minor teenage mom. It's funny how the 'mature minor' clause didn't apply to me when I objected to the elders' interference.
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  Pregnant women refuses blood

  by Giordano in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refusal-of-blood-transfusion-mother-and-baby-die#more-4001.

  a 28-year-old woman and her unborn child have died because of the womans decision not to accept a lifesaving blood transfusion.. doctors at the royal hospital for women and prince of wales hospital in randwick, sydney, australia, have described the harrowing effect on hospital staff of two otherwise avoidable deaths.. the woman, a jehovahs witness, was seven months into her pregnancy when it was discovered she had leukaemia.. amy corderoy, health editor, reporting in the sydney morning herald states,.

  more than 80% of pregnant women suffering from the cancer, called acute promyelocytic leukaemia, will go into remission with proper treatment, and the outlook for their babies is good.. .

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  OC - you do realize I was being sarcastic? I hate their stinking blood policies as much as the next person.

  Yeah, I know...I was just adding a comment...apparently...;)

  We should have a sarcasm button to hit when we want to make it clear.
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  Blood Transfusion: Letter of Understanding

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.

  "every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.

  then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".

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  Marvin, the Letter of Understanding that you posted on your site pertains to a hospital in Canada.

  Do you know if this document is used anywhere besides Canada?
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  Pregnant women refuses blood

  by Giordano in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refusal-of-blood-transfusion-mother-and-baby-die#more-4001.

  a 28-year-old woman and her unborn child have died because of the womans decision not to accept a lifesaving blood transfusion.. doctors at the royal hospital for women and prince of wales hospital in randwick, sydney, australia, have described the harrowing effect on hospital staff of two otherwise avoidable deaths.. the woman, a jehovahs witness, was seven months into her pregnancy when it was discovered she had leukaemia.. amy corderoy, health editor, reporting in the sydney morning herald states,.

  more than 80% of pregnant women suffering from the cancer, called acute promyelocytic leukaemia, will go into remission with proper treatment, and the outlook for their babies is good.. .

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  OrphanCrow

  sparrowdown:
  The same Jehovah who hates child sacrifice....apparently.

  Jehovah doesn't hate child sacrifice. He endorses it - he gave his own son in sacrifice...apparently.
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  Pregnant women refuses blood

  by Giordano in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refusal-of-blood-transfusion-mother-and-baby-die#more-4001.

  a 28-year-old woman and her unborn child have died because of the womans decision not to accept a lifesaving blood transfusion.. doctors at the royal hospital for women and prince of wales hospital in randwick, sydney, australia, have described the harrowing effect on hospital staff of two otherwise avoidable deaths.. the woman, a jehovahs witness, was seven months into her pregnancy when it was discovered she had leukaemia.. amy corderoy, health editor, reporting in the sydney morning herald states,.

  more than 80% of pregnant women suffering from the cancer, called acute promyelocytic leukaemia, will go into remission with proper treatment, and the outlook for their babies is good.. .

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  OrphanCrow

  searcher: The fact remains that mothers who deliberately abort their children are exercising their "human rights", but Witness mothers must be vilified if their child dies, allegedly as the result of the rejection of a particular surgical procedure! One standard for all?

  I am not sure exactly why your comparison of a JW woman committing suicide to a woman who chooses to terminate a pregnancy is unsettling but I want to comment on your position because I know that you are somewhat off the mark on this one.

  I think it would be more applicable to compare this JW woman to women who choose to take their own life and take their children with them to their death, than to women who chose to live.

  This is not a debate on abortion issues - it is a discussion on women who commit suicide and put their child(ren)'s lives at risk by taking that action. A woman who chooses not to be pregnant doesn't do so out of a desire to die. In fact, women who terminate their pregnancies have a desire to live - that is why they choose to not be pregnant. This JW woman desired to die.
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  Active posters: What education have you had, what degrees do you possess?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  from so many posts and conversations on here, you'd think over 1/2 the posters here possess doctorates in theology, physics, biology, etc.

  i'm curious aside from the books and research people have done here, what degrees they have.

  to start, i just got an aa and going straight through full time to an mba.

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  OrphanCrow

  Well, damn, Oubilette - it must be the forum demons at work again. It really was there when I posted it!

  Oh well...like I said before - I have a Master of Fuck All - I can't figure out why it didn't post.
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  Active posters: What education have you had, what degrees do you possess?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from so many posts and conversations on here, you'd think over 1/2 the posters here possess doctorates in theology, physics, biology, etc.

  i'm curious aside from the books and research people have done here, what degrees they have.

  to start, i just got an aa and going straight through full time to an mba.

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  OrphanCrow

  Damn. Sorry, Oubliette. I meant to include your entire post but now I see that my last minute editing didn't work out...stupid phone rang and I didn't get back to it after hitting Post Reply.

  It was supposed to look like this:

  Oubliette

  cantleave: A degree can help open the door, but success once you have stepped through that door depends on many other factors.

  :)
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  Active posters: What education have you had, what degrees do you possess?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from so many posts and conversations on here, you'd think over 1/2 the posters here possess doctorates in theology, physics, biology, etc.

  i'm curious aside from the books and research people have done here, what degrees they have.

  to start, i just got an aa and going straight through full time to an mba.

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  OrphanCrow

  Oubliette
  cantleave: A degree can help open the door, but success once you have stepped through that door depends on many other factors.

  I have found that persistence and hard work don't stand a chance up against politics and inter-personal relationships in the workplace.

  Want to be successful and get ahead? Learn to be political in your job - your work usually comes second to that.

  An education does not equal a job - there is a reason that an MFA is called a Master of Fuck All.
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  "Gerson Therapy" in Tijuana, Mexico

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  since at least back to the 1960s in canada, jws have been travelling to mexico for cancer treatment.

  and, i believe, other medical treatments.

  because i watched my uncle die of cancer back in 1962, unable to receive treatment because the doctors couldn't operate without blood, i have always been curious as to why the jws with cancer were going to mexico.

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  Blondie, I hadn't heard of Hoxsey Therapy before. After reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoxsey_Therapy, I would think that Hoxsey would fit hand in glove with those early Watchtower quack doctors.

  Maybe it was the Hoxsey Therapy that was being sought after by JWs in the early 60s. I notice after reading more about Gerson Therapy, that it wasn't established in Mexico until the late 70s.

  Faye, what you describe resembles the Hoxsey Therapy rather than the Gerson Therapy. Sorry about the right side of my post - I don't know how to fix that.

  Regardless, they are both questionable and dangerous 'cures'. Which makes those quack cures prime candidates for people gullible enough to believe that 7 men in New York have a direct line to some gawd in the sky.