Posts by OrphanCrow

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Trademark?

by OrphanCrow in

a while back, there was some controversy over whether or not jw .org qualified for registered trademark status.. yesterday, i was given one of the 2015 memorial invitations and there is a small tm next to the jw logo.. did the wts get the logo approved for trademark?.

or, am i looking at an invitation to the janitor world's jesus celebrations?.

OrphanCrow

Ah...I did not understand that. Thanks Cappytan for clarifying.

So...the TM is just an attempt to appear legitimate and carries no weight at all except for appearance.

Okay.

:)

*oops...posted too soon...I see the extra info now...thanks cappy.

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Trademark?

by OrphanCrow in

a while back, there was some controversy over whether or not jw .org qualified for registered trademark status.. yesterday, i was given one of the 2015 memorial invitations and there is a small tm next to the jw logo.. did the wts get the logo approved for trademark?.

or, am i looking at an invitation to the janitor world's jesus celebrations?.

OrphanCrow

A while back, there was some controversy over whether or not JW .org qualified for registered trademark status.

Yesterday, i was given one of the 2015 Memorial invitations and there is a small TM next to the JW logo.

Did the WTS get the logo approved for trademark?

Or, am I looking at an invitation to the Janitor World's Jesus celebrations?

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Canadians have no problems with bright colored socks according to Branch Rep (Zone) visit

by Quarterback in

we just had the visit of the br, winston payne from down under australia.

he was a good old mate, and he commended the brits accent over the australian.

no mention of the metero sexual suits, bright colored socks, spandex, no association with df relatives.

OrphanCrow

truthseeker: Rod Jung gave an update on Canada's work (12,000+ reg pioneers, 50,000+ bible studies, 180,000+ attended last year's memorial, they are focusing a lot on translating to First Nations languages)

Canada appears to have a pretty low saturation level compared to the US, and especially compared to Mexico.

It must be Mexico that brings the saturation number up to 1 per 250 for the 'Americas' reported by jwfacts, because, if you use the stats from jwfacts, the memorial attendance of 180,000 translates to 2.6 times the number of publishers which leaves approx. 69,000 publishers for Canada.

That means that Canada has a saturation level of about 1 per 500, half of what jwfacts says the 'americas' has. I am assuming that jwfacts has included Canada in the Americas...unless Canada is part of the Queen country's stats...

Regardless, 1 per 500 is quite a bit lower than the US figures, and much lower than Mexico.

The first nations people here have had enough, when the wbts are focusing on first nations languages it just goes to show how desperate they are. Most of the first nation people I know are focused on getting their kids educated and learning english. The last thing they need is a family destroying cult.

I agree wholeheartedly. I get very agitated when I consider what the WTS is doing by targeting the First Nations communities with their horrible translations of Watchtower crap. The illustrations in the literature are terrible - they have taken white people and colored them brown and call them First Nations. Not only that, nobody in the First Nations communities that I know can read Cree. It's a joke - the JWs leave Cree literature thinking they are 'helping the natives' and the natives cannot and do not read Cree.

Besides, Cree is only one of the languages spoken. We have Dakota, Lakota, Chippeweyan, Ojibaway, to name a few.

The WTS is incredibly insensitive to the Canadian First Nations people.

I personally checked out a couple of jw books from an inuit library. The books are now over due and not likely to return

Good.

I have close friends who are First Nations who live up north. The one family I know was actually having a Bible Study with two old white gals. I have them on my facebook account and I make sure that I post all the child abuse scandals so they can see them and pass the posts out to their community.

I also know of one JW woman who goes up to Cumberland House with both her Watchtower literature and her Avon business. She kills 2 birds with one stone.

Funny thing is though, the reserves don't get worked...I think the JWs are scared to send people out there. They should be scared.

It makes me angry that the WTS is targeting the First Nations in Canada. It is ignorant and damaging to the First Nations people.

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Wife fully awake.

by cappytan in

i learned this past week that my wife is now awake.

i just shared the pbs newshour segment with her with no comment other than something along the lines of, "jw story on pbs.".

she is furious at the arrogance of these men.. thats what happens when you get a momma angry!.

OrphanCrow

Cappytan - you must be doing the happy dance right about now!

Good thing you married a Mama Bear.

:)

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Recent Birth Experience

by lambsbottom in

i'm completely flabergasted at what happened with a couple in my old congregation recently.

they are still active.

the guy messages me that they had their baby and will be at a local hospital for the next couple days.

OrphanCrow

I have noticed over the years that birth stories are a lot like fishing stories with estimates of length of labor equating to size of fish.

The difference between 'birth stories' and 'fishing stories' is that a birth story has a real live woman experiencing the limits of pain and suffering for those hours she is in labor.

Fish stories don't involve women in pain and possibly herself and her baby dying.

Fish stories are men bragging about a sport.

Birth stories are real life and death situations.

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Awake! Quotes a Well-Known ex-JW Apostate in Support of Their Beliefs!?!

by Oubliette in

konceptual99, referenced this article on another thread: .

was it designed?

the inverted retina.

OrphanCrow

Oubilette: That being said, and we are getting a bit off topic (but only a bit), obviously there are illegitimate diploma mills in the U.S., but a PhD program at a University of California or equivalent is a very rigorous undertaking.
I'm currently looking at a PhD in Learning Sciences from the University of Indiana. Here's the program:

Yes, some of the Phd programs in the US are very rigorous.

Oubilette, what are the requirements for qualifying for admission into the Phd program at the University of Indiana?

But...back to Mr. Bergman.

Here are a couple links that will clarify that

1.) he was a Jehovah's Witness but is no longer

2.) Bergman is adamant that the Watchtower is dishonest

http://freeminds.org/psych/bergmancritique.htm

http://freeminds.org/psych/bergmancritique2.htm

I realize that I had said that I wouldn't be using him as a credible authority - and what I meant is that I wouldn't reference him in a research paper for psychology or anything scientific. Not that I have any plans of writing papers in those disciplines....

However, just because Bergman has had his credibility questioned regarding his scientific credentials, I think it is important to give him credibility as an exJW. He does have extensive knowledge of the WTS and its workings and he has revealed many valuable details in an interview he did with Jennifer Henderson concerning Hayden Covington.

http://www.freeminds.org/history/covington2.htm

I agree with Oubilette - it is truly ironic that the WTS is using Bergman as a credible 'scientific' source when Bergman himself accuses the Watchtower of dishonesty. Actually, it is more humorous than ironic.

An exJW 'apostate' being quoted in the Awake! magazine. And not only that, the exJW apostate is on record as accusing the Watchtower of dishonesty.

It is hilarious.

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Awake! Quotes a Well-Known ex-JW Apostate in Support of Their Beliefs!?!

by Oubliette in

konceptual99, referenced this article on another thread: .

was it designed?

the inverted retina.

OrphanCrow

Bergman's bio reveals where he got his "Dr." status for biology from.

Ph.D. in human biology, Columbia Pacific University, San Rafael, California, 1992

Here is a link to evaluate how credible that "Dr." in front of his name is:

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/News/cpu.html

CPU, founded in 1978, was a private, nonaccredited correspondence school that offered programs leading to bachelors, masters, and doctorate-level "degrees" in various subjects.
Private postsecondary schools are regulated by the California Bureau of Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education, which approves schools to operate and ensures that training is relevant and practical. In 1996, after conducting a qualitative review and assessment of CPU's degree-granting programs, the bureau's predecessor agency (Council for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education) denied CPU's application for licensure. On June 10, 1997, this denial was upheld by an independent administrative law judge who concluded that CPU had: (a) awarded excessive credit for prior experiential learning to many students; (b) failed to employ duly qualified faculty; and (c) failed to meet various requirements for issuing Ph.D. degrees. When CPU continued to operate without legal approval, the California Attorney General sought an injunction.

For example, a Phd in the US is sometimes less than, or equal to a Masters degree in Canada
millie: I was not aware of that OrphanCrow, could you provide a link so I could read about the distinctions?
Thanks,

Millie, I can't pull out a link on that one, at least not right now - I have never researched it online. All I can speak from is my own experience.

At the time that I graduated with a 4 year undergraduate degree in Fine Arts from a Canadian university, a BFA (honors), I could have qualified for a Phd program at many universities in US with it and skipped what we call Graduate work in Canada - a Masters degree. That is, if I had wanted to earn a Phd in Art History and fast track my way into teaching art history.

The difference lies, I believe, not within the Canadian system of degree definitions, but rather within the US system. A university accreditation in Canada is easier to control, and there is less variation in degrees between universities, because we are really small compared to the States - in the US, it appears like there is a wide range of what can be called a university with wide variations in degree requirements.

There seems to be a lot of 'popcorn box' degrees available in the States. And it looks like the esteemed 'Dr.' Bergman has acquired one of those 'Dr.' degrees from a correspondence school that lost its licence.

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Awake! Quotes a Well-Known ex-JW Apostate in Support of Their Beliefs!?!

by Oubliette in

konceptual99, referenced this article on another thread: .

was it designed?

the inverted retina.

OrphanCrow

Oubliette: I don't know much about Bergman. A few other posters here have mentioned he has credibility problems.

Now that I have read a couple of his other papers, I agree with those other posters.

I didn't know much about him until you posted those links. I had read his material that related to the JWs but knew nothing else about him.

His educational list looks impressive, but I have a bit of difficulty evaluating his education because of the differences between Canadian and US degree requirements. For example, a Phd in the US is sometimes less than, or equal to a Masters degree in Canada.

As to the question you asked earlier about why the WTS would use Bergman in their Awake! article, I think that you have revealed another one of those 'cracks' that show there is more behind the WTS than we are aware of.

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Awake! Quotes a Well-Known ex-JW Apostate in Support of Their Beliefs!?!

by Oubliette in

konceptual99, referenced this article on another thread: .

was it designed?

the inverted retina.

OrphanCrow

I'm only pointing out that it is odd that a man that is known to be an ex-JW and apostate is quoted by the WTBTS as a reliable source. I never suggested or even implied that he is.

I know. And I never said you did. I never implied that either.

I offered my opinion on the material you posted.

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Recent Birth Experience

by lambsbottom in

i'm completely flabergasted at what happened with a couple in my old congregation recently.

they are still active.

the guy messages me that they had their baby and will be at a local hospital for the next couple days.

OrphanCrow

my question is: why are the congregation elders not checking with EVERY pregnant JW woman to make sure she gets blood work right before expected labor dates!? didn't they have a leaked document regarding this a couple years ago?

The blood work that the elders were encouraging pregnant women to get done a few years ago, had to do with identifying the JW women who were RH negative.

In 2010, there was a clinical trial being sponsored by InfaCare Pharmaceuticals Corporation. The trial was by invitation only and the JW community fit the parameters of the study group perfectly. The elders and HLC would have been actively recruiting for subjects to enter into the clinical trial for Stantate at that time.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01183988?term=jehovah%27s+witnesses&rank=1

Stantate, the drug that was being tested on JW babies, has since received approval for compassionate use.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00076960?term=jehovah%27s+witnesses&rank=2

And once again, the JW community has contributed to a pharmaceutical company's quest to get a drug onto the market.

Step 1 - clinical trial approved by FDA

Step 2 - get JW mamas and babies to enroll

Step 3 - apply for the drug to get 'compassionate use' status for expanded access

Step 3 is the end goal. The study that was approved for Step 1 has yet to be published, and we do not know the safety or efficacy of the drug. But that doesn't matter - the drug is 'needed' by the JW women, so it now can be manufactured and sold for use.

"Compassionate Use" status is not equivalent to "safe and effective".