Posts by kairos

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NOW it's Important

by TheLiberator in

i have spent 45 years of my life sacrificing my soul to the watchtower.

twenty-five of those years as a ms/elder.

i gave every moment to them.

kairos

This experience rings true and dear to me.

A very long time and close friend of mine is shunning me.
He is also a fire/EMT. He has always been a spiritual sloth.
Inactive, misses meetings for 'any reason'.

Now he's 'loyal'.

We really were like brothers. We went on fishing trips and we wouldn't shower or shave for a week. Spitting sunflower seed *everywhere*.
We'd open the truck door and seeds would fall out. Pretty gross, but we just didn't care. Tailgate lunches between fishing hole hopes. We'd drive 700 miles in search of fish. It was really because of our friendship. I miss him terribly and I know he is tormented.

His fire station is one mile from my house in a rural area, so I see him in passing from time to time as he attends to emergencies.

Last week he was literally 200 yards from my driveway directing traffic as they recovered a wrecked vehicle. I rode my bike over there and just looked at him. Didn't wave. Just sat and watched. Very sad.

Back over the years, I spent countless attempts to reactivate or encourage him to go in service with me. I was genuinely trying to help my friend.

I'm wicked now in his eyes...

40

The two elders threaten my sister again

by opusdei1972 in

as i reported here in this forum, some time ago, my sister was constantly harried by two elders so as to be submitted to a judiciary committee for apostasy.

these two elders were constantly hounding her in the street when she walks to go to her job.

so she had to send them a notary letter in which she wrote that she would attend the judiciary committee only with her attorney.

kairos

If I really wanted to avoid being DF'd for apostasy it would have been a lot of work and time spent for what, in the end?

They were already shunning me and I was absolutely sure that I would NEVER go back to the KH for any reason.

I should have DA'd three years ago when I first learned TTATT.

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If your sister can come to terms with this reality, I think she should consider ignoring them completely and let them do what they do or simply hand them an "F. U. letter", I mean formal disassociation.

Then she can have true peace and freedom.
The pain of shunning is pretty bad, however.
I'm at the anger stage. Angry that the policy still exists.

It's all so ridiculous. They are making it about loyalty.
Ultimately a loyalty oath to the GB.

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Worlds largest death cult, the JWs pale in comparison...

by C0ntr013r in

islam, a death cult with 1.6 billion followers.

almost a quarter of the worlds population.

in many places apostasy is punished by death.. jws say they cant kill people for apostasy because they have to obey the laws of the land, but what if the jws ruled the land like the muslims are in many countries?....

kairos

And, according to the news, if you raise concerns, you're a bigot.

Clowns.

40

New K.Hall Design, Mansfield

by BluesBrother in

jw
friends

not mansfield u k , but mansfield in u s a - it doesn't look much, does it?

in fact even the uber dubs on j w talk are not impressed (that must be a first!

this thread of theirs is publicly readable:.

kairos

Yes. looks like any office building, bank, tire/auto parts/ office depot/staples.

Build with free labor and "dedicated funds", then sell later for a profit as a non-profit, by the not-prophets. Say that three times fast!!

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"But WHY would you want to know those things??"

by stuckinarut2 in

i ran into an older sister who has always been very sweet.. it was a friendly chat...yet she pushed for a reason why my family have been missing from meetings for some time.

the question was deflected, until it just had to be said: "well, there have been some troubling and disturbing issues about the society especially the way things were handled during the royal commission, as well as many other issues".. she quickly cut in and said "but why would you want to know these things?

its best not to research and look at those sort of things - so we don't get upset!".

kairos

Sounds like you met my wife...

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I cannot explain or even comprehend how anyone with the internet can refuse to be educated.

I remember a short time ago someone suggested, when running into an active JW, to ask: "are you still a JW?"

When they say, "Of course!"

Our response would then be: "Don't you have the internet?"

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I feel like a fool for avoiding research for so long.

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Giant Leak of Offshore Financial Records Exposes Global Array of Crime and Corruption

by JHK in

millions of documents show heads of state, criminals and celebrities using secret hideaways in tax havens... [...].

what about watchtower society's holy money?.

https://panamapapers.icij.org/20160403-panama-papers-global-overview.html?goal=0_ffd1d0160d-4ddea55429-100339089&mc_cid=4ddea55429&mc_eid=bfe834e473.

kairos

I agree with the above post regarding the possibility of ones stashing money for after "the rapture" of the GB. ( nu-lite, people )

They're "gone" ( in some island paradise ) and will need clean money to fund the farce.

The backlash from the worldwide exposure of the massive child sexual abuse issue will likely be the trigger for the GB and helpers suddenly vanishing.

--- Seriously, how they claim to have no money unless, they really don't?
( it's in an account under a different name )

Theocratic Warfare Strategy at work.

I hope they fall hard.

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Feeling Betrayed?

by stuckinarut2 in

this is the way many of us feel no doubt: feeling like we have been betrayed by a faith that has hidden so much from its believers, and covered up some serious past and present teachings and practices.. and yet, we are the ones treated with disdain, contempt or suspicion due to fading from activity!.

simply amazing that we have had to make a conscious decision to stand up for what is right and not be a part of the organisation for genuine and sincere reasons.

and yet they slander us, malign us and make us look like the ones with the problem!.

kairos

It's easy to feel betrayed when the so-called shepherds decide that even hearing what you have to say before DFi'ng you is out of the question.

Matt 18... Yeah, right.

Come to our judicial or else.

Betrayed.

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Banned from the second school!

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

i've been told by a jw friend that when her hall recently had a refurb that big changes were made to the second school.. one, a large sign has been placed on the door telling people not to use it and to sit in the main hall itself.. two,that all the chairs which used to face the large windows looking into the main hall are now side on to the window facing the wall instead.. this is because "so many people were sitting out in there!

people were finding all manner of exhuses to sit-in there and the brothers want us to all be together in the main hall!

" she said.. of course i didn't tell her what i really thought of this but seriously?

kairos

These restrictions on calling in to hear the meetings have been used in my area for many years.

I've been out since 2013 and they were doing it for a few years prior to my exit. "Only for people that really need it".

Funny thing, I have all three call in numbers for the Napa meetings with passwords. They got lazy and haven't "enforced" restrictions. ( or my wife is on the approve caller list )

I bet the front gate code is still "1914", like every other KH I've attended...
( Maybe they changed it to "2034", who knows )

I wonder if they used to be "1975" at an earlier time.

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Also at my old hall they decided to make a seat in the hall, "reserved for microphone attendant". ( actual sign attached to seat arm rest )

I came in late one evening, couldn't sit in the back for some reason, and I sat in "the seat".The attendant just about came unhinged. Moved my books and was claiming I was "fighting against the elders and ultimately Jehovah himself".

The meeting was a bit crowded and already underway, so it was causing a bit of a commotion. I sat directly next to him before ultimately leaving early. At one point I even suggested that I go sit with his wife in the empty seat that he had reserved for himself... He no like that one!

But hey, that's Arvid Kron for you.
Yes, the same one that was involved in the judicial mishandling of Ed Villagas, convicted JW child molester in Napa, Ca along with fellow elder David Becker.

Their maniacal attempt at control and cover-up would damage nearly 20 young children, put WT in the national child abuse spotlight and end in a large legal settlement.

I was there. in Napa since 1989.

Things got real serious prior to the court case and they made big efforts to keep all of the details quiet and mislead the locals.

Now it has been reduced to all but local urban legend status...

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Last Night I was surrounded by Jehovah's Witnesses . . .

by Terry in

last night was the "body viewing" at the funeral home for the jw whose friendship and influence resulted in my getting baptised in 1963. we weren't just friends.

we had a david & jonathan bromance :) no seriously, we loved each other dearly.. it's only in the last 2 years he shunned me.

before that, he would sneak behind the curtain of stealth, so to speak, and we'd sit for hours each and every week chatting, reminiscing and sometimes arguing about the truth about the "truth.".

kairos

I'm glad you kept it together. I know myself well enough.

I will attend no JW functions... anywhere.

Glad you are getting closure.

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Banned from the second school!

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

i've been told by a jw friend that when her hall recently had a refurb that big changes were made to the second school.. one, a large sign has been placed on the door telling people not to use it and to sit in the main hall itself.. two,that all the chairs which used to face the large windows looking into the main hall are now side on to the window facing the wall instead.. this is because "so many people were sitting out in there!

people were finding all manner of exhuses to sit-in there and the brothers want us to all be together in the main hall!

" she said.. of course i didn't tell her what i really thought of this but seriously?

kairos

@KiddingMe-

That description about the restrictions on the call-in features sounds just like what I experienced in Napa, Ca. Are you sure we weren't in the same hall?