Yeah, good comments, Shepherdless.
in short, Iran is not a natural enemy of the West - yeah, the Iranian masses, the ordinary people aren't.
But the current Iranian government clearly is. It has killed and attacked US soldiers in Iraq.
satan peeks over the horizon in qatar :).
arbitrary borders on a map of the middle east, post wwi.. .
civilizations were uprooted.. .
Yeah, good comments, Shepherdless.
in short, Iran is not a natural enemy of the West - yeah, the Iranian masses, the ordinary people aren't.
But the current Iranian government clearly is. It has killed and attacked US soldiers in Iraq.
i don't know if this topic has been covered before - it might 've been.. i also recommend flipper's excellent music thread ('what songs have you been listening to?
', or similar).. but, i'd just like to start a thread about certain songs giving me goosebumps.
y'know, when you hear a song that profoundly effects you in some difficult-to-describe way and the hairs on your arm stand on end even though the room temperature's comfortably warm.. so, which songs give you goosebumps?.
Iwantoutnow mentioned Pavarotti, and that reminded me of this ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlmg0yzxKvQ
Pavarotti sings in the middle and it's beautiful. What a voice!
it brings to mind my niece when she see`s how dry the countryside is ,how armageddon must be so close..
Fist of all, my sympathies to all the Australian people who have lost loved ones and property because of these fires.
The fires are surrounding the whole perimeter of the country by the looks😳. Is it connected with global warming? - any connection seems to be tenuous.
Have a look at the following vid ...
good move or bad?
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We invaded Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia where the hijackers came from - most of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi. But at least one was Egyptian (Mohammed Atta).
Osama bin Laden was Saudi-born of Yemeni ancestry. As Cofty pointed out, the Saudi regime and bin Laden parted company years before 9-11.
Immediately after America eliminated bin Laden, they phoned the Saudis and asked if they wanted his body returned to Saudi Arabia. The Saudis declined, so the Yanks performed a simple Muslim ceremony before dumping his body in the Persian Gulf.
good move or bad?
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I'll check back in later when I try to connect the dots - well, the same people who say Americans should keep out of the Middle East, want every waif and stray to come to Western countries.
You've basically said that the dead US soldiers were killed simply because they were in the Middle East, almost as if it was their fault ... a bit like what xenophobes say about immigrants in the West ('we wouldn't hurt them if they weren't over here').
The liberal, progressive mainstream media are holding Iran and Western countries to two different standards, I think.
good move or bad?
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If you stop putting your face into places that it doesn't belong you won't get punched - that's pretty much what white supremacists say re immigrants in Western countries.
Strange, that.
good move or bad?
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I think there's something that needs to be clarified: a lot of the mainstream media has perpetuated this 'America starts the cycle of violence' crap.
It's not necessarily the case. Soleimani was head of the Al-Quds force and was responsible for the deaths of US soldiers (might be about 600? Not 100% sure).
Soleimani initiated the cycle of violence.
Trump eventually responded.
good move or bad?
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The meme posted at the bottom of page 4 makes a point but we're considering the death of General Qassem Soleimani.
Was Soleimani living on less than a dollar a day?
Er, no, I don't think so ...
good move or bad?
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Just to say - there aren't any real good guys in Syria and Iraq, or they are quite thin on the ground, if they exist.
The possible exceptions being the Yazidi, the Kurds and the tiny number of Syrians who want Western democracy and human rights.
@stillin - you really think this Iranian general was on a peace-keeping mission? ... feel free to post any links that support that position.
i don't know if this topic has been covered before - it might 've been.. i also recommend flipper's excellent music thread ('what songs have you been listening to?
', or similar).. but, i'd just like to start a thread about certain songs giving me goosebumps.
y'know, when you hear a song that profoundly effects you in some difficult-to-describe way and the hairs on your arm stand on end even though the room temperature's comfortably warm.. so, which songs give you goosebumps?.
And another ...