Hi never a jw!
Where's the original in Spanish? Something fishy here.
darkspilver
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Spain: A group of elder requires clarification to Ministry of Justice regarding sexual molestors
by sp74bb inletter sent today to the ministry of justice... .
spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.
again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.
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Letter about changes in book 100 year kingdom
by Rather Be the Hammer inyesterday a letter was read in our congregation.
it said that there have been doctrinal changes in many chapters of the book 'god's kingdom rules' so everyone but especially the conductor must be sure to use the latest update of the book.. this book is only ...how old?
two years?
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darkspilver
The changes are pretty innocuous - mostly update to names of meetings & publications.
The three changes over three printings of page 153 are interesting.
The responsibility change on page 131 is interesting too.
The subtext regarding the huge 96% reduction on the duration, coupled with the significant 33% increase in overall time, on page 189 is interesting as well.
But, granted, seemingly not the smoking gun that Rather Be the Hammer implied, hmmmm
She's getting a - let's be polite - a reputation for seemingly 'mis-hearing' letters being read out, though I think she's in the Netherlands, so maybe a language/translation issue with English - see the only other thread she's started:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5637342828167168/how-shake-up-jdubs
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Letter about changes in book 100 year kingdom
by Rather Be the Hammer inyesterday a letter was read in our congregation.
it said that there have been doctrinal changes in many chapters of the book 'god's kingdom rules' so everyone but especially the conductor must be sure to use the latest update of the book.. this book is only ...how old?
two years?
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darkspilver
Hey Rather Be the Hammer!
Yesterday a letter was read in our congregation. It said that there have been doctrinal changes in many chapters of the book 'God's kingdom rules' so everyone but especially the conductor must be sure to use the latest update of the book.
EXPOSED!
A comparision between the 2014 and 2016 printings of the God's Kingdom Rules publication (with thanks to fastJehu)
any other changes???
Page 24, paragraph 36, middle
Old: The same year saw the publication of the first issue of the Bulletin, which is now called Our Kingdom Ministry.
New: The same year saw the publication of the first issue of the Bulletin, which is now the meeting workbook for Our Christian Life and Ministry.
Page 131, Heading: Service Committee
Old: Last sentence deleted: They also oversee the preparation of Our Kingdom Ministry.
Page 131, Heading: Teaching Committee.
Old: It also has oversight of Gilead School, the School for Kingdom Evangelizers, the Pioneer Service School, and the Theocratic Ministry School, as well as other schools. In addition, this committee oversees the development of audio and video programs.
New: It also has oversight of Gilead School, the School for Kingdom Evangelizers, and the Pioneer Service School, as well as otherschools. In addition, this committee oversees the preparation of Our Christian Life and Ministry — Meeting Workbook and the development of audio and video programs.
Page 138, Footnote [1], end
Old: His widow, Dorothy, at age 90, still faithfully serves as a pioneer.
New: His widow, Dorothy, served faithfully until her death in 2015 at 92 years of age.
Page 153, picture and caption
Old - February 2014: Vahan Bayatyan in the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights
Old - December 2014: (Picture changed) Brothers in Armenia are grateful for the ECHR ruling that protects the rights of those who conscientiously object to military service based on their religious beliefs
New: (Picture changed) Brothers in Armenia are released from prison after the favorable ECHR ruling
Page 153, paragraph 14 (at top of page 153)
Old - February 2014: ruled in favor of Brother Bayatyan
Old - December 2014: ruled in favor of Vahan Bayatyan
New: ruled in favor of Vahan Bayatyan
Page 169, 1st column, middle
Old: He was trained in the Theocratic Ministry School and then in the Pioneer Service School.
New: He made significant progress after attending the Pioneer Service School.
Page 170, paragraph 2, middle
Old: We currently have the opportunity to attend five weekly meetings — the Public Meeting, the Watchtower Study, the Congregation Bible Study, the Theocratic Ministry School, and the Service Meeting.
New: We currently have the opportunity to attend two instructive weekly meetings — the Public Meeting and Watchtower Study and our midweek meeting called Our Christian Life and Ministry.
Page 179, paragraph 17, end
Old: Whether you are male or female, have you seized this expanded opportunity to enroll in the Theocratic Ministry School and be taught by Jehovah?
New: Over the years, many brothers and sisters seized the opportunity to enroll in the Theocratic Ministry School and be taught by Jehovah. Today, we continue to receive such training at our midweek meeting.
Page 179, paragraph 18, end
Old: (later called Informant and now, Our Kingdom Ministry)
New: (later called Informant and still later, Our Kingdom Ministry)
Page 179, paragraph 19
Old: The Service Meeting continues to follow the pattern set by Christ, offering practical guidance for us as we engage in the preaching work. (Matt.10:5-13) If you qualify to receive a personal copy of Our Kingdom Ministry, do you study it and apply the suggestions it contains as you engage in the ministry?
New: Today we receive practical guidance for carrying out the ministry at our midweek meeting. (Matt.10:5-13) If you qualify to receive a personal copy of the meeting workbook, do you study it and apply the suggestions it contains as you engage in the ministry?
(note - the 'qualify' bit for receiving the workbook is technically not correct now? - used to be a bit of a biggie in some congregations re:receiving Kingdom Ministry)
Page 179, question 18, 19
Old: (a) What pattern does the Service Meeting continue to follow?
New: (a) How do we now receive practical guidance for carrying out the ministry?
Page 183 (184), paragraph 9, end
Old: Is the objective of this school just to train students to give effective talks at congregation meetings? No. The main purpose of the school has always been the same, that is, to train God’s people to use their gift of speech to praise Jehovah in the ministry. (Ps.150:6) The school equips all the brothers and sisters who are enrolled to be more effective Kingdom ministers.
New: Was the objective of this school just to train students to give effective talks at congregation meetings? No. The main purpose of the school was to train God’s people to use their gift of speech to praise Jehovah in the ministry. (Ps.150:6) The school equipped all the brothers and sisters who were enrolled to be more effective Kingdom ministers. Now such training is provided by means of the midweek meeting.
Page 183, question 8, 9
Old: (a) What is the main purpose of the Theocratic Ministry School?
Old: (b) How has the Theocratic Ministry School helped you to be more effective in your ministry?
New: (a) What was the main purpose of the Theocratic Ministry School?
New: (b) How has the midweek meeting helped you to be more effective in your ministry?
Page 187, paragraph 20, end
Old: Let us be determined to take full advantage of the training that our King has made available to us - whether at the Theocratic Ministry School, the other congregation meetings, or any of the other schools discussed in this chapter. And let us remember that the main purpose of all this training is to help us keep spiritually strong so that we may fully accomplish our ministry.
New: Let us be determined to take full advantage of the training that our King has made available to us. And let us remember that the main purpose of all this training is to help us keep spiritually strong so that we may fully accomplish our ministry.
Page 188
Old: THEOCRATIC MINISTRY SCHOOL
Old: Enrollment: All may be enrolled who are actively associating with the congregation, who agree with the teachings of the Bible, and whose lives are in harmony with Christian principles. To join, speak to the Theocratic Ministry School overseer.
Old: Benefits: Sharon, who is enrolled in the school despite being paralyzed with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), says: "The Theocratic Ministry School has taught me to research and present information logically. I have also learned to listen to others and focus on their spiritual needs, not just my own."
New: OUR CHRISTIAN LIFE AND MINISTRY
New: Enrollment: All may been rolled who are actively associating with the congregation, who agree with the teachings of the Bible, and whose lives are in harmony with Christian principles. To join, speak to the Life and Ministry Meeting overseer.
New: Benefits: The midweek meeting teaches us to research and present information logically. We also learn to listen to others and focus on their spiritual needs, not just our own.
Page 189, BETHEL ENTRANTS’ SCHOOL
Old: Duration: Sixteen weeks for 45 minutes each week.
New: Duration: Four days for four hours each day.
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An ANALYSIS of Watch Tower of Britain’s last (January 2013) Child Safeguarding Policy by Barbara Anderson
by AndersonsInfo inan analysis of watch tower of britain’s last (january 2013) child safeguarding policy by barbara anderson.
last year, i was asked to review watch tower of britain’s child safeguarding policy and its implementation.
what i discovered was depressing and disappointing especially because the policy contained just a single statement (#18) directing elder/trustees on how to protect children in their congregations from avoidable harm - they were to restrict a repentant abuser “…from being alone in the company of children.” the policy did not explain what procedures to follow to assure that abusers would obey that rule.
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darkspilver
Hi Barbara!
Interesting analysis - I think lots of people have lots of ideas (including me!) and I really would have preferred you to have done a comparative analysis.
The NSPCC is the UK's National Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children and are a well established and respected, main stream charity and organisation.
They have two interesting examples of, presuemably what they consider to be excellent, Child Protection / Safeguarding Policies and Procedures
From June 2016
https://safeguardingtool.nspcc.org.uk/documents/40/Child_protection_policy.pdf
and, also from June 2016
(see page 4: "Reporting an allegation or concern")
It's interesting to read how they believe these policies should be implemented.
Any comments?
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An ANALYSIS of Watch Tower of Britain’s last (January 2013) Child Safeguarding Policy by Barbara Anderson
by AndersonsInfo inan analysis of watch tower of britain’s last (january 2013) child safeguarding policy by barbara anderson.
last year, i was asked to review watch tower of britain’s child safeguarding policy and its implementation.
what i discovered was depressing and disappointing especially because the policy contained just a single statement (#18) directing elder/trustees on how to protect children in their congregations from avoidable harm - they were to restrict a repentant abuser “…from being alone in the company of children.” the policy did not explain what procedures to follow to assure that abusers would obey that rule.
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darkspilver
Hi Barbara
WATCH TOWER removed Porter as an elder and Trustee because of molesting more than thirteen little boys, one an 18-month-old baby. He was criminally tried for molestation in 2007. Meanwhile, Porter continued his personal association with WATCH TOWER directors to the consternation of many JWs. The result of the scandal and the complaints to the Commission was the removal by the Commission of three prominent directors on the WATCH TOWER’S Board of Trustees, who lived and worked at headquarters.
Please can you name and provide a link to the relevant page/report on the Charity Commision website regarding the Commission's removal of three WT directors from the Watch Tower Trustees?
Below is the link to the CC's Report into Mill Hill/Porter case, but does not seem to match up with your comments, so there must be another one?
In 2014, a British newspaper reported that in the previous four years (starting in 2010), twenty-five Jehovah’s Witness ministers were convicted of child molestation charges in the UK.
Interesting, which newspaper, date?
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Announcement from SPAIN: On Monday, the 26th online in the a.m. in the online edition of www.elperiodico.es...
by AndersonsInfo inannouncement from spain:.
on monday 26th septriembre, www.elperiodico.es published in its online edition the first publicly reported case of child abuse and harassment in spain watchtower, digital edition monday, tuesday print edition.
please maximum dissemination of the link, it will be online early in the morning of monday 26, in the online edition.
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darkspilver
Hi TheOldHippie!
I hope you also turn your attention to one of the articles in the series, the one that tells of the sexual violation committed by five men - one of whom was a policeman - against a young female JW during the Pamplona festival this year,
The tragic and shocking events of sexual violations at Pamplona, Spain, made headlines around the world in early July 2016.
I've not seen any confirmation that one of the victims (on the first day?) was a JW??
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Announcement from SPAIN: On Monday, the 26th online in the a.m. in the online edition of www.elperiodico.es...
by AndersonsInfo inannouncement from spain:.
on monday 26th septriembre, www.elperiodico.es published in its online edition the first publicly reported case of child abuse and harassment in spain watchtower, digital edition monday, tuesday print edition.
please maximum dissemination of the link, it will be online early in the morning of monday 26, in the online edition.
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darkspilver
From today's (Thursday 6 October 2016) print edition of the Spanish language El Periódico - the three article are featured on the front page (bottom right) which directs readers to the full double page spread over pages 36 and 37
I posted the articles in this thread (above) yesterday with google translation to English:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5088277520449536/_post/5136899083599872
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5088277520449536/_post/5674091916820480
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5088277520449536/_post/5682470861144064
Note: I believe the QR Code you can see on the bottom right hand side of the double page spread directs people to the second article above (the middle link above) which has a 73 second video in ENGLISH
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Homophobia in the name of Jehovah
by sp74bb inwww.elperiodico.es newspaper has written last night 3 different posts regarding homophobia within the borg.... http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/historias-homofobia-testigos-jehova-5438263.
google translation:.
wednesday, october 5, 2016 - 21:42 ist.
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darkspilver
Hi sp74bb
I uploaded all three articles - with pictures etc - yesterday, as part of the continuing series located here:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5088277520449536/_post/5136899083599872
and here:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5088277520449536/_post/5674091916820480
and here:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5088277520449536/_post/5682470861144064
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Announcement from SPAIN: On Monday, the 26th online in the a.m. in the online edition of www.elperiodico.es...
by AndersonsInfo inannouncement from spain:.
on monday 26th septriembre, www.elperiodico.es published in its online edition the first publicly reported case of child abuse and harassment in spain watchtower, digital edition monday, tuesday print edition.
please maximum dissemination of the link, it will be online early in the morning of monday 26, in the online edition.
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darkspilver
I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks this is like a film by the great Spanish writer and director Pedro Almodóvar
Insert random Pedro Almodóvar movie trailer here.....
(Todo sobre mi madre ?)
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Take My Silver and My Gold..
by snugglebunny inno, these are not new lyrics.
they are the original lyrics as to be found in the 1950 songbook: "songs to jehovah's praise".
the song is simply called "dedication".. the words may have been altered in recent years, but the "new" words are simply the old words being re-hashed.. we can't make a meal of this as some are doing.. just saying, that's all..
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darkspilver
No, these are NOT new lyrics. They are the original lyrics as to be found in the 1950 songbook: "Songs to Jehovah's Praise". The song is simply called "Dedication".
And don't forget the original hymn
See the full discussion about this lyric from yesterday's post
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5629661553885184/_post/5701248659488768
