Coco you sound like you live an interesting life. You should write a little poem with the first sentence of your op.
Cleaning house at midnight
and it's not even mine.....
Surely there's a metaphor in there some where? Thinking of you.
Miss.Fit
and it's not even my own house.. had a three-hour nap and, between chatting with hortensia and fb friends, i have to get the place spin 'n span for client's return.
making potato salad, too.. wanna help?.
coffee's on .
Coco you sound like you live an interesting life. You should write a little poem with the first sentence of your op.
Cleaning house at midnight
and it's not even mine.....
Surely there's a metaphor in there some where? Thinking of you.
Miss.Fit
Small edit: instead of-"guys", god says: no paradise for you.
when i was a kid, it seemed like not a meeting went by when you didn't hear about jonah or sampson and other tall tales from the bible.. now though, they seem to have been sidelined.
i guess the rest of the world caught on to the fact that these stories couldn't possibly be true and were so far fetched (yeah, even by bible standards) that they are just treated as 'stories' like aesop's fables.
saying that you believe in them as genuine accounts just makes you look like a crazy zealot.. but the wts is different.
Great discussion. I used to love these stories as a kid. They had a little of everything: action, romance, magic, adventures.
I think I also saw them as just stories as a child until the discussions at the meetings made it clear they felt it is literal.
It has only been this past year thanks to discussions like this and Terry's recent thread that I had allowed myself to even entertain the idea the bible stories are not literal.
Noah's ark was the first story to fall.
Now it is easier to have an open mind and look at the details critically.
Before I would dismiss anything that didnt make sense as miracles from God. Every thing is possible with god. If it isn't understandable its because Ididn't have enough faith.
Miss. Fit
you"re now the "unbelieving mate" who is now pursuing your degree just before your mid-life crisis hits because until you woke up to the tatt, you bought into the whole "you'll never grow older in this system of things...".
you're watching your parents grow old fully-invested.... your spouse still invested because "there is no better alternative....".
your in-laws still won't come over tomorrow (thanksgiviing day) to eat turkey because it might just look like.... just when you think you're past it all and you feel that little bit of jw that is still there at your core eventhough you think you're beyond jwism..... and you remember and empathize and love your loved ones just a little bit more... because as of yet, they cannot find it in them to distance themselves from somethign you found limiting, closing, dark, and oppressive.. may they all find their freedom one day.
Sometimes we need to accept their decisions and respect their right to live their lives. I bite my tongue when I talk to my mom.
I just try to leave religion out of our conversations.
It must be hard on your spouse also.
They are mourning you in their heart trying to find a way to wake you up. They think they will be blood guilty if they cant bring you back. They wonderv what they didnt do right.
Look in the mirror and you will see their despair on your face.
MissFit
brief history:.
i was a born in.
my parents were uber-dubs, but never worshipped the organization.
Follow his lead and foster a relationship based on love and family. Leave the religion out of it. Maybe you will get your dad back in your life.
you"re now the "unbelieving mate" who is now pursuing your degree just before your mid-life crisis hits because until you woke up to the tatt, you bought into the whole "you'll never grow older in this system of things...".
you're watching your parents grow old fully-invested.... your spouse still invested because "there is no better alternative....".
your in-laws still won't come over tomorrow (thanksgiviing day) to eat turkey because it might just look like.... just when you think you're past it all and you feel that little bit of jw that is still there at your core eventhough you think you're beyond jwism..... and you remember and empathize and love your loved ones just a little bit more... because as of yet, they cannot find it in them to distance themselves from somethign you found limiting, closing, dark, and oppressive.. may they all find their freedom one day.
Phae: I popped in to see how things went over Thanksgiving. I know Christmas will probably be tough. Don't give up on your spouse. As he sees you progress outside of "the truth", he might see there is another way.
can't these people see the $$$ dollar signs that are being made here for the last 100 years??
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Doc: I think only the Elders would be aware. The rank and file wouldn't even question it.
can't these people see the $$$ dollar signs that are being made here for the last 100 years??
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When I was active, $$$ did not even come on my radar. Why? Because I believed the money was put back in to support the greater need.
Our emphasis was on saving lives.
I really do not think that harping on the money part will open the rank and file's eyes.
When you hear at the meetings about all the kingdom halls being built, and publications and languages being printed, you assume that the money is spent "furthering the kingdom interests."
I dob remember feeling a little uneasy whenb they bought that fancy theater and fixed it up. It seemed too indulgent to me.
the money laundering gravy train never ends with the jehovah's witness elite.
the same guys paying that construction loan are paying themselves tens of thousands to slurry seal a parking lot every 2 years.
just another windfall for the jehovah witness elite.. .
Any proof?
Anyone here have any stories about this?
to my nephew,.
your other aunt phoned my non-jw cousin, so i know your wife is expecting a baby in the new year.
congratulations!
To Nephew X: if you are reading this: Welcome.
Please if you are having any doubts at all I implore you to investigate. This site will give you access to a lot of information for you to research.
Congratulations on your impending fatherhood.
I wish I had acted on my doubts and would have had access to this site 26 years ago before my children were born. I yo-yoed back and forth during their childbood.
I was in long enough to instill fear of destruction and displeasing Jehovah.
My husband was not a JW. My son learned that God would kill his father for not believing in him. How could I do that to him?
I hope that when you start teaching your child, you will be sure of what you believe.
It is so hard to undo the damage.