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  name a place that has no jws.

  by badboy in

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  saudi arabia.

  trobriand islands(i think i have spelled it right) off papua new guinea

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  AnnOMaly

  The Tonga Trench
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  Witnesses coming Saturday... I need HELP!!!!

  by Globetrotter in

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  i got into a rather heated discussion this morning with my unbaptised but raised jehovah's witness wife.

  we discussed so many things: feb 1 watchtower article on 607 and 1914, the un, beth sarim, blood, god's mouthpiece here on earth, etc.

  this was yet another attempt on my part to try to plant a seed of doubt.

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  I've just seen this

  Yup, she says she would not allow me a transfusion if I needed one! How can I live with that?!! Those aren't my wishes.

  That IS disturbing. She has no right to decide your medical treatment for you. If it came to it, I don't think she could enforce it (esp. if there is something down in writing), could she???

  If you were arguing over the blood issue anyway, she could have been hitting out just to annoy you.
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  Witnesses coming Saturday... I need HELP!!!!

  by Globetrotter in

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  i got into a rather heated discussion this morning with my unbaptised but raised jehovah's witness wife.

  we discussed so many things: feb 1 watchtower article on 607 and 1914, the un, beth sarim, blood, god's mouthpiece here on earth, etc.

  this was yet another attempt on my part to try to plant a seed of doubt.

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  Hi Globetrotter, Thanks for your response I do see more where you are coming from.

  By continuing to turn only to the society for answers she cannot come up with herself, and for continuing to say flip-flopping on doctrine is OK, and for continuing to buy into "new light", her view are deserving of respect??!! C'mon. It's intellectual dishonesty.

  Maybe it is intellectual dishonesty, but she can't or won't see that and the more you push it and undermine her, the more polarized the both of you will be. So yes, IMHO, her cockamamy views should be respected, or to be precise, her right to hold those cockamamy views should be respected (as she should yours). You said she was 'bull-headed,' so if she's anything like me there's hope for her yet. Leave her be.

  I only encourage her (and my children) to read freely and arrive at their own conclusions. When we do talk about the bible, I do NOT say "Oh, this is all horseshit." I do say "I understand this passage to mean... or this appears to be an historical account of blah blah" (such as Revelation is merely John coming down on the early Christains of the first century and admonishing them for worshiping Rome... it has nothing to with the end of the world).

  Great! Freedom to read, discuss and arrive at their own conclusions (like you did). So I don't understand, why this?

  I got into a rather heated discussion this morning with my unbaptised but raised Jehovah's Witness wife. We discussed so many things: Feb 1 Watchtower article on 607 and 1914, the UN, Beth Sarim, blood, God's mouthpiece here on earth, etc. This was yet another attempt on my part to try to plant a seed of doubt.

  Why did it get heated? Why were you trying to plant doubts? I don't get it.

  The safety of my children and my sanity and ability to lead a normal loving life is more my motivation for trying to get her to see the society for what it is.

  I hear you. However the safety of your kids and your sanity and leading a 'normal' (whatever that is) loving life is not dependent on the presence or absence of the WTS. If she gave up being a JW tomorrow, would it solve everything? Would you finally have the 'perfect' marriage your parents had?

  The reason I've been direct is because I have seen marriages break up due to fanaticism - by BOTH parties. One marriage I know - he left the WTS, became atheist and fanatically went into politics. He was right about everything. He knew it all. He knew his family was being brainwashed and he regularly voiced his views. His wife was a fanatical JW, also an unreasonable, bull-headed, foolish person anyway. There was no middle ground, no meeting half-way. They eventually divorced. That set in motion a series of events that seriously harmed some of the children.

  what about the children? How do I approach my kids at their age and teach them to screen out all the bullshit of this religion and take away only the love and kindness of God (if they chose to believe)? This religion is DANGEROUS to children on so many levels.

  To me, that is being slightly over-dramatic. But as for you, you can teach them by example. Continue to show them (and your wife) the love and kindness you want them to express in life.

  It does sound like both you and your wife have serious issues with each other. Her apparent rabid religious devotion might be a symptom of something rather than the cause. Have you ever entertained the idea of getting outside counselling?

  Most concerned,

  Ann
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  The Darkness

  by Sirona in

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  i love the darkness.

  i'm so glad that i can now enjoy this music, despite f words...whatever.

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  It's definitely the spandex.

  And the teeth.

  And the hair.
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  Witnesses coming Saturday... I need HELP!!!!

  by Globetrotter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i got into a rather heated discussion this morning with my unbaptised but raised jehovah's witness wife.

  we discussed so many things: feb 1 watchtower article on 607 and 1914, the un, beth sarim, blood, god's mouthpiece here on earth, etc.

  this was yet another attempt on my part to try to plant a seed of doubt.

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  AnnOMaly

  Garybuss, you're all heart. Restraining orders, court battles over custody, causing her trouble. Yeah that will win her round. Not.

  Don't forget that JWs have a persecution complex. All that bad stuff happening? She'll think it's the devil and be even more convinced she and JWs are right. Not forgetting the fetid atmosphere that will develop between the couple that would take years to heal if ever. And the children. OMG the children - they will have to live with the unholy mess the rest of their lives and then they'll pass it to the next generation.

  Would you rather be right or married to the mother of your children?

  That, I agree, is the bottom line.
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  The Darkness

  by Sirona in

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  i love the darkness.

  i'm so glad that i can now enjoy this music, despite f words...whatever.

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  AnnOMaly

  The lead singer isn't at all good looking

  On the contrary, he's hot.
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  Witnesses coming Saturday... I need HELP!!!!

  by Globetrotter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i got into a rather heated discussion this morning with my unbaptised but raised jehovah's witness wife.

  we discussed so many things: feb 1 watchtower article on 607 and 1914, the un, beth sarim, blood, god's mouthpiece here on earth, etc.

  this was yet another attempt on my part to try to plant a seed of doubt.

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  AnnOMaly

  Ok Gadget. Point well taken. Apologies to G'trotter for being a little harsh. However, alarm bells start ringing when these 'controlling' style statements come out. I don't know what his wife's like. She might be nagging him about coming into the troof. She might want out of the marriage too, who knows? But I get the sense there are deep-seated issues between them here that are not really about the WTS. That's all. Could be wrong. Often am.

  Not to mention that they have been married all those years, she already had a Witness background when they got together, which will have shaped her outlook on life. He fell in love with that personality. There's just more to it than her religious views.
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  Witnesses coming Saturday... I need HELP!!!!

  by Globetrotter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i got into a rather heated discussion this morning with my unbaptised but raised jehovah's witness wife.

  we discussed so many things: feb 1 watchtower article on 607 and 1914, the un, beth sarim, blood, god's mouthpiece here on earth, etc.

  this was yet another attempt on my part to try to plant a seed of doubt.

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  AnnOMaly

  This was yet another attempt on my part to try to plant a seed of doubt

  if there is any hope of getting her out

  There's the problem. You want to 'get her out.' You want to prove to her that it's all nonsense. Although you feel your motives are noble, that kind of pressure will drive you further apart and/or make her more determined to stick to the org. Leave her alone. Respect her views (even though you disagree). Try and figure out the real issues in your marriage and work on those.

  If I cannot get her to open her mind and think critically about their teachings, our marraige will effectively be over. It's a shame after 14 years and two kids,

  Does your marriage really hinge on her seeing the 'truth about the Truth'? Does she really have to see things YOUR way, or the marriage is over? C'mooon! I may have read you all wrong, but it sounds like you want to snap up for yourself the power the WTS appear to have over your wife.

  I do not know the bible as well as JWs, so I won't be able to keep up with their prooftexting. I need help.

  What's the appointment for? More bickering? Forget discussing the Bible with them. Refuse to discuss doctrine - you have your conclusions, end of story. Drink coffee, discuss vacations and football, BE NICE, then send them on their way with a friendly wave.

  Of course, if you want your marriage to fail and have religion as the scapegoat, go right ahead.

  By the way, it's interesting your wife never got baptized.
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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

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  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  Even if it were 607, it wouldn't change a thing.

  Daniel's tree dream applied to Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel said so. If it applied to Zedekiah, the dream/prophecy would have been given BEFORE Zedekiah was removed. How many Bible prophecies does anyone know about where the prediction was given in the middle of its fulfillment?

  Jesus used the future tense when he said Jerusalem would be trampled on. He didn't say "would continue to be trampled." That fits perfectly with what happened from 70AD until now.

  With regard to Bible chronology, the 1914 date is irrelevant anyways.
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  I Am Mine

  by Euphemism in

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  when the pearl jam single i am mine came out a little over a year ago, i was still a witness.

  it's easy to see why the lyrics appealed to me at a time when i was subconsciously trying to free myself from the mind control.. i know that i was born and i know that i?ll die.. the in between is mine.. i am mine.. .... we?re different behind the eyes, there?s no need to hide .

  .... the sorrow grows bigger when the sorrow's denied.. i only know my mind.. i am mine.. freedom has been a gradual process.

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  AnnOMaly

  Hello you two!

  Glad you've been able to decompartmentalize (is that a word?) at long last! A heavy weight on your shoulders lifted. You are yours indeed!