Posts by thedepressedsoul

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2015 Regional Convention Anthony Morris Governing Body encourages coerced baptism of unwilling children ...again

by Watchtower-Free in

this is from the last talk of the convention ......... clip 1:30 minutes longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrej8tlyiso&feature=youtu.be.

thedepressedsoul

They teach that marriage is the 2nd biggest decision of a Christians life, the 1st being baptism.

They also unofficially taught that a person is not developed enough, whether it's their decision making portion of their brain, their likes and dislikes until your mid 20's (Read the Young People Ask book marriage and dating). Try dating in JW land at 18 or before your 20's and 99% of the time you will get talked to about your age and the importance this decision will have on your life. Some elders will go as far as stating that you should wait until "you're older and more mature to date".

Despite that, they also teach that the 1st biggest decision of your life should be done when you are young. It's now getting even lower by touching on things like driver's license and giving examples of very young baptisms.

Do you see the double speak and hypocrisy? You're not responsible or mature enough to make the 2nd biggest decision in your life but you are ready to make the "the biggest" one.

I'm not downplaying either. Both getting baptized and getting married are two huge decision that someone should heavily evaluate. Both can be devastating and life altering if it doesn't work out. Would you marry someone just because mommy or daddy thought you should or others pressured you to do so? I'd hope not...

Could you imagine Jesus (if you believe in him) telling all those little kids around him and on his lap that they should get baptized if they feel they can ride a horse or go out and work? It's nutty and whether you believe in the bible or not, it's far from what the bible suggest and the few examples given. And since they claim to represent the god of the bible, you'd think they'd try to follow it. I've always said though, the bible can be used to push any agenda or idea, there's always a scripture that applies and can justified to fit your point or agenda.

That double speak shows me that they are all about the numbers to them. They don't care if is young Joe publisher is mature enough to get baptized or how old Susie is. All it is to them is growth on their chart that allows them to keep using the "huge growth" as a reason to need money along with buy and build a real estate portfolio. Not to mention it's 100x harder for young baptized Joe to leave when he's mature enough to realize it's not for him and actually have a decrease on the numbers than spiritually weak Alex who never decided to get baptized.

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Are they banning college again?

by thedepressedsoul in

i wasn't alive for this but my parents and many old timers told me that at one point it was pretty much a rule that you couldn't go to college.

some of you may remember that from that time.

over time they relaxed that rule to that you did what you had to do in order to provide for yourself.

thedepressedsoul

Wow, it's really been 10 years? I must have been in a bubble or our elders must have been more relaxed because about all younger ones I know are currently doing at least community college. Even ones that have 2-3 years to go are still planning on it.

I'd be very nervous to have a kid right now. You have to worry about all the stuff going on in school and now you have to worry about them dealing w JW rules too.

My favorite is when some elders start to bash higher education in their comments or from the stage and they themselves have gone to college or sent their kids to college. I know a lot of JW that get very annoyed by that.

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Are they banning college again?

by thedepressedsoul in

i wasn't alive for this but my parents and many old timers told me that at one point it was pretty much a rule that you couldn't go to college.

some of you may remember that from that time.

over time they relaxed that rule to that you did what you had to do in order to provide for yourself.

thedepressedsoul

You mean like giving 30 minutes outline talks? And you better stick to the outline or you'll be removed?

I wish it was stick to the 30 minutes or you'd be removed! Stop having to hear people rambling 15 minutes past when they should be for all assemblies and conventions!

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Are they banning college again?

by thedepressedsoul in

i wasn't alive for this but my parents and many old timers told me that at one point it was pretty much a rule that you couldn't go to college.

some of you may remember that from that time.

over time they relaxed that rule to that you did what you had to do in order to provide for yourself.

thedepressedsoul

I wasn't alive for this but my parents and many old timers told me that at one point it was pretty much a rule that you couldn't go to college. Some of you may remember that from that time.

Over time they relaxed that rule to that you did what you had to do in order to provide for yourself. You could go to college but it was not recommended that you live on campus. It became a "conscience" matter. The elders got way more relaxed on it. Quite a few at mall hall and surrounding ones I know went to community college without any harassment.

It seems to me that in the last year they are going back to their 80's mentality and basically banning college. It is becoming so looked down upon that you will be judged to death if you go. Not to mention you will most likely not qualify for privileges. The relaxed standard that they changed to is going back to their old thinking.

They are mentioning it every chance they get now. I think the only thing that's keeping them from banning it completely is purely a PR reason. In their writing they are a lot more relaxed but in their talks they are very harsh about it. They now have an outside view that they allow it while basically shunning it inside.

My thoughts:

They have a numbers issue. A lot of JW are old timers dying off and the "fresh" new blood isn't getting baptized, going to college and never becoming a JW. There is probably a huge gap and it's getting worse as the older ones are dying.

How do they try to fix it? Encourage young JW to get baptized so they are more "locked in", it boosts their numbers and makes it 10x harder to leave. Secondly, discourage higher education where it takes the young JW out of the tight inner circle to experience life and to think for themselves. As a result, the young JW is never "exposed" to other idea's or outside the inner circle.

This religion loves numbers and cannot have it's numbers start to fall. No young blood to go to other lands, help at bethel or pioneer and the numbers fall even faster as they can't "replenish" as fast. The numbers fall, it doesn't look like Jehovah's backing, the ministry becomes less important in the mind of it's members and donations are hurt.

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2015 Regional Convention Anthony Morris Governing Body encourages coerced baptism of unwilling children ...again

by Watchtower-Free in

this is from the last talk of the convention ......... clip 1:30 minutes longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrej8tlyiso&feature=youtu.be.

thedepressedsoul

So far from this guy we have the following:

No Spanx (Yoga Pants)
No tight pants
MS by 21 or not eligible for marriage
Baptized before your license
No colored socks
Gays want to see you in tight pants

That's just from this guys talks alone! It's very scary to think this guy is running the show.

I'll leave you all with this quote from their book that is being studied now...

"The religious leaders buried God’s Law under a mass of man-made rules and regulations. The Sabbath law, for instance, simply forbade work on the Sabbath, setting that day aside for worship, spiritual refreshment, and rest. But the Pharisees made a burden of that law. They took it upon themselves to decide just what “work” meant. They labeled as work 39 different activities, such as reaping or hunting. These categories gave rise to endless questions. If a man killed a flea on the Sabbath, was he hunting? If he plucked a handful of grain to eat as he walked along, was he reaping? If he healed someone who was ill, was he working? Such questions were addressed with rigid, detailed rules."

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Apost8News: "Return to Jehovah" Official Literature Release Video - 2015 Convention Lowlight

by cappytan in

again, thanks to wifibandit and pixel for their work behind the scenes.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwzviu3jfko.

thedepressedsoul

lol they must be having a real hard time keeping their numbers up if they're resorting to members who left.

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Our hall is asking for money...

by thedepressedsoul in

i guess the branch isn't happy with the amount being sent each month since we are way lower than our loan amount.

we now have to another financial survey to see the max amount that can be given.

it is "encouraged" for all to be in attendance and give much forethought and consideration to the amount you can donate each month.

thedepressedsoul

Vote for it - don't support it.

There is no vote. You fill out a slip of how much you can pledge each month.

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Our hall is asking for money...

by thedepressedsoul in

i guess the branch isn't happy with the amount being sent each month since we are way lower than our loan amount.

we now have to another financial survey to see the max amount that can be given.

it is "encouraged" for all to be in attendance and give much forethought and consideration to the amount you can donate each month.

thedepressedsoul

I absolutly believe that Wt (at the very least) should of been more clearer about that new funding arrangment. I think they have sent the message to the R&F that they are in a good financial position. Why else would of they other wise canceled the KH loans. Now it's done a full circle and come back to bite them, and I say "GOOD BLOODY JOB?!!!".

That's what cults do though. They try to make it seem all nice and loving on the surface while when you dig into it you actually realize it's harmful and worse than before. It's no different than having a public and internal Watchtower. You have the RF version of the loan payoff and you have the elder version of the loan payoff.

There is always two sides of the coin in JW land. The PR side and the dark internal side.

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Our hall is asking for money...

by thedepressedsoul in

i guess the branch isn't happy with the amount being sent each month since we are way lower than our loan amount.

we now have to another financial survey to see the max amount that can be given.

it is "encouraged" for all to be in attendance and give much forethought and consideration to the amount you can donate each month.

thedepressedsoul

I guess the branch isn't happy with the amount being sent each month since we are way lower than our loan amount.

We now have to another financial survey to see the max amount that can be given. It is "encouraged" for all to be in attendance and give much forethought and consideration to the amount you can donate each month. Messages are being sent out to all local members.

This is like our 10th local needs/announcement about donating more recently.

It's more of a burden than tithing!

They tell you not to get a good job, not to get higher education and then bash you over the head to donate more. What did they expect when making those rules? Poor, uneducated people donating thousands each month?

They want the control of Islam and the finances of the Catholic church. They're trying to take blood from a rock!

I don't think JW's can brag anymore about not passing a collection plate or asking it's members for money...

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The "Final Push" before the GT!!! I think they REALLY believe it!

by DATA-DOG in

i don't know if i have shared this with everyone, but there seems to be a new theocratic term, at least in my circuit.. the term is "final push.

" wtf does it mean?

well, an eldub said that the gb are "all in" with warwick and they might spend all their money on the project.

thedepressedsoul

clambake - "Given the fact the U.N isn't in the process of banning all religions while the JWs are holding there own, I don't know how the average DUB kind really get excited about this kind of stuff."

The average Dub isn't really up on the finer details of the WTS's End-Times script (and they don't have a f**king clueabout legitimate current events).
If they were, there might be a few more "wait-what?" moments.

This is a very good point. I don't know what would get them all excited. The U.N has less power than ever.

Although when times are bad it's, prophecy from Mathew and when times are good it's thief in the night. No matter what scenario it's right around the corner with JW's.