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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

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  2. beliefs

  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  ellderwho

  Dawn,

  Thanks for the link, looks like some good stuff for my elder.

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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  ellderwho

  Thanks Earnest,

  I live quite a distance to make that trip to here the Professor. However I emailed the University of Toronto. They told me he is now a retired distinguished professor of Assyriology at the University of
  Toronto.

  I found out Dr. Grayson is quoted alot in 'Insight on the Scriptures' from what Ive read mostly in the Chronology sections and Neo-Babylonian rulers. (mostly irrelevant issues)

  But the look on my moms husband face while he referenced Graysons' book for dates of kings rule was worth all the hours of wrangling over doctrinal issues.

  Thanks again.

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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  ellderwho

  The calculation begins with the pivotal date of 539 which is accepted by scholarship to mark the conquest of Babylon. proof of this is established by the Nabonidus Chronicle now located in the British Museum.This clay tablet is a well dated record of the Fall of Babylon which yields the date as October 5 Gregorian or October 11, Julian.

  Scholar, may I present a email I sent to said British Museum;

  Dear Mr XXXXX,
  
  Your enquiry about the fall of Jerusalem is a little confusing, since it comes with a title 586/87 but then enquires about 586 BCand 607 BC. So which problem do you actually wish to address?
  
  So far as I am aware there were two captures of Jerusalem, in 597 BC and 587 BC, except that the latter may be dated to 586 BC depending on assumptions about the calendar. Also the Jehovah's Witnesses would like us to believe that we have got it all wrong and that the dates should be lowered by about 10 years.
  
  Christopher Walker
  Deputy Keeper
  Department of the Ancient Near East

  Heres the link, email the museum for yourself, for your well documented date for the fall of Babylon

  <[email protected]>
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  Jesus & God is not the same

  by U.2.K. Tha Greate$t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have proof that jesus is not god , not in the sight of eyes but in words.

  alright check this out!

  im not gonna give out too many details only a few, some might agree & some might not agree,.

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  ellderwho

  Me thinks some newbie posters played hookie from the book study tonight.
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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  ellderwho

  Scholar,

  How did I know your responses would hi-jack this thread? You command all the attention for yourself

  Most of what you bring is oldhat that Alleymom refuted on every point.

  I'll treat you like my study; 4 part question: 1.In what year of Nebuchadnezzars rule did he destroy the temple?

  2.And what year did this occur?

  3. When did his rule begin?

  4. Please post your Neo-Babylonian Kings list with years of rule up to Cyrus of 539.
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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  ellderwho

  Saint,

  thanks for the link, moms husband did state this book cost alot.

  Scholar, you'll have to excuse my silly behavior, I may not be a well advertised "scholar" a yourself, but my basic math skills such as addition are rock solid.

  Does Rolf Furuli when referencing AK Graysons work use the dates of Babylonian rule given by said book?

  Because the dates given in the book were glaring out at my study while he quoted the book to me.

  Jay,

  607 is as important as the Book of Mormon, take it away and these beliefs fall.
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  Making 607 crumble

  by ellderwho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during my eight month long study with "elder bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least.

  but the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 bc.

  im sorry i just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand.

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  ellderwho

  During my eight month long study with "elder Bob" (moms husband) we have batted around many subjects to say the least. But the one that really stands out is the dreaded date of 607 BC. Im sorry I just will not let up with this date, and him having to prove it can stand. Well, last night study made the eight months worth it. On the table was a book that he orderd from the "evil slave internet" class. Its called 'Texts from the Cuniform Tablets' by AK Grayson 1975 JJ Augustine Pub NY.

  While he was trying to make a point from this book about being called King while being vassel at that time, it wound up a mute point due to the damning evidence the book presents about WT chronology. (Years of rule)

  The fact that he went to outside measures to sure-up the 607 issue is a blesssing in itself. Or at least the begining of a blessing. Is their any information about AK Grayson that would be helpful in this situation.

  Alleymom Im looking in your direction
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  The article 'ho' in Jn 1:1c

  by grzesiek32 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  one of the most inconvenient verses for non-trinitaries is this:.

  jn 1:1.

  1. in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god.. .

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  ellderwho

  Joseph,

  You never answered my question.

  You say:

  does not prove somehow that the Father shares his glory with the Son.

  It does not disprove either. Thus in Jo. 17:5 When Jesus states " and now, glorify thou me together (or with thou) with thyself, Father...." Nas.

  If Jesus is together with the father in some way "in the bosom" I would say that he is together with the Father.

  You state

  The Son had a glory in His own right and this is what was restored by the Father.

  Show from scripture this idea of "glory in his own right" and where the scripture teaches this.

  You ask me to prove if I can show from scripture the qualities of "such glory" or if I can differentiate where such glory would be applied. This is not my burden it is yours. Simply stated as the Bible does Jesus had glory with the Father.

  And your telling me yeah but it was a diferent kind of glory.
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  The article 'ho' in Jn 1:1c

  by grzesiek32 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  one of the most inconvenient verses for non-trinitaries is this:.

  jn 1:1.

  1. in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god.. .

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  ellderwho

  Joseph,

  Did the Father share his glory with the Son? Jo. 17:5

  Would Yahweh share his glory with a created being? Isa. 42:8
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  JW usage of Jehovah

  by Kymegg in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been talking with two jw ladies and we got on the subject of the name of jehovah.

  i was trying to make the point that they cannot claim to be the only "true" religion.

  at first they wanted to start pointing out why they felt they were.

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  ellderwho

  A little advice,

  If in fact you want to show the errors in the doctrine DO NOT take the role of trying to be the "teacher" or you will loose them for sure, remember they have the "truth" you are of satans world.

  Get them to commit to a study theres a wealth of topics.

  Dont unload your all your "stumpers" at once just to win an argument. Because so what you've won and argument with a Jw but there still in.

  The key is helping a Jw think on their own.

  Happy studying