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  What advice would you give newbies?

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  ok well, i started thinking.... when i was new here i made a lot of mistakes.

  i'm sure i'm not the only one.. in fact, i think i'll got out on a limb and say, i still make mistakes .

  one of the things i wish i would have 'known' then was there are so many personalities on discussion boards, let alone one where there are alot of injured souls and alot of questioning people, that it helps to be forgiving and understanding.

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  ellderwho

  Dont "knee jerk" react to postings, let it settle in.
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  original sin and evolution creationists

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  ok i've been trying to understand this.... there are a good number of christians out there who most definitely believe that god used evolution as a means of creating us.

  for instance, i am pretty sure that the catholic church accepts this idea.. if man came about by evolution, how does sin come into play?

  at what point did man sin and how does the story of adam and eve fit into this picture?.

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  ellderwho

  The universe and everything in it can be explained without needing to invoke an omnipotent god as an explanation.

  Really? I'm all ears.
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  original sin and evolution creationists

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  ok i've been trying to understand this.... there are a good number of christians out there who most definitely believe that god used evolution as a means of creating us.

  for instance, i am pretty sure that the catholic church accepts this idea.. if man came about by evolution, how does sin come into play?

  at what point did man sin and how does the story of adam and eve fit into this picture?.

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  ellderwho

  Yes, but evolving from what? Does non-moral or im-moral code give birth to moral-code?

  Define moral for the animal kingdom. Define moral for humans.

  What is the moral code?

  BSM,

  Indeed, this very issue as I said is what perplexs me, while I try to think as an evolutionist.
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  original sin and evolution creationists

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok i've been trying to understand this.... there are a good number of christians out there who most definitely believe that god used evolution as a means of creating us.

  for instance, i am pretty sure that the catholic church accepts this idea.. if man came about by evolution, how does sin come into play?

  at what point did man sin and how does the story of adam and eve fit into this picture?.

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  ellderwho

  BSM,

  I suppse I don't really have a problem with moral code slowly evolving over the centuries.

  Yes, but evolving from what? Does non-moral or im-moral code give birth to moral-code?

  I can't imagine it wouldn't take long before a prehuman figured out that when his neighbor "asked" him if he stole his bear hide

  Is your premise based on bad behavior is natural.
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  original sin and evolution creationists

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok i've been trying to understand this.... there are a good number of christians out there who most definitely believe that god used evolution as a means of creating us.

  for instance, i am pretty sure that the catholic church accepts this idea.. if man came about by evolution, how does sin come into play?

  at what point did man sin and how does the story of adam and eve fit into this picture?.

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  ellderwho

  There are a good number of Christians out there who most definitely believe that God used evolution as a means of Creating us.

  Agreed, however Im not one.

  If man came about by evolution, how does sin come into play? At what point did man sin and how does the story of Adam and Eve fit into this picture?

  Whats always confounded me is, in the story line of evolution when and how did moral code evolve, and from what foundation did it have to evolve from?
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  Free Will vs. Destiny

  by Morocco in

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  free will vs. destiny

  preordination

  n : (theology) being determined in advance; especially the doctrine (usually associated with calvin) that god has foreordained every event throughout eternity (including the final salvation of mankind) [syn: predestination, foreordination, predetermination]

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  ellderwho

  I believe in what IP_SEC and Gaiagirl said, everything, all rules, systems, and contingencies are already set up in reality for everything to be self sufficient.

  I too believe this in part, although I attribute the "order" if you will, to Intelligent design.
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  Realization about the Adam and Eve myth

  by CordyC in

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  as i looked at the adam and eve story again, i realized the something is wrong with the story.

  jehovah offers the pair all the fruits in the garden of eden save the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.

  there's a problem though, why would there be a fruit for that if bad supposedly wasn't around at that point yet?

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  ellderwho

  Somebody had to be first!

  Look Dog, your way off here. According to the Watchtower, Christ was "born first" er, I mean first born, er, I mean first created.
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  Isaiah 45:7 - Did God Create Evil?

  by VM44 in

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  deputy dog pointed out this scripture in another thread: isa 45:7 i form the light, and create darkness: i make peace, and create evil: i the lord do all these things.. is god saying here that he creates evil?.

  --vm44.

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  ellderwho

  it's up to me to define and label any category or condition in this environment that I choose. Before I define all this, the categories don't even exist.

  Yeah, I like to think Gods big enough to create all things. Whether powers or principalities..... All things. [ ] hee, hee, couldnt resist.
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  Realization about the Adam and Eve myth

  by CordyC in

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  as i looked at the adam and eve story again, i realized the something is wrong with the story.

  jehovah offers the pair all the fruits in the garden of eden save the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.

  there's a problem though, why would there be a fruit for that if bad supposedly wasn't around at that point yet?

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  The kids for sure! Then what?

  LOL....Dont the kids have all the answers anyway? at least mine seem to.
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  Realization about the Adam and Eve myth

  by CordyC in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i looked at the adam and eve story again, i realized the something is wrong with the story.

  jehovah offers the pair all the fruits in the garden of eden save the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.

  there's a problem though, why would there be a fruit for that if bad supposedly wasn't around at that point yet?

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  ellderwho

  There's a problem though, why would there be a fruit for that if bad supposedly wasn't around at that point yet?

  Did the actions of the three players in the Garden catch God by surprise?