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  I don't think God is fair./what do u think?

  by wednesday in

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  my therapist and i talked about the bible, specifically, adam and eve and their sinning by eating from the forbidden fruit.

  he says it is really a great lesson on consequences of your actions.

  i agreed and we talked at some length about it, but one thing i decided, god was not fair.

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  ellderwho

  : ........The everyday insanity of the everyman.

  yourself included?
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  truebloom is here to introduce herself

  by truebloom in

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  i just wanted to introduce myself here on this forum.

  i have been lurking here awhile, i really enjoy reading your posts.

  i get so caught up reading i don't have much to add, but give me time.

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  ellderwho

  welcome to you
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  I don't think God is fair./what do u think?

  by wednesday in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my therapist and i talked about the bible, specifically, adam and eve and their sinning by eating from the forbidden fruit.

  he says it is really a great lesson on consequences of your actions.

  i agreed and we talked at some length about it, but one thing i decided, god was not fair.

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  ellderwho

  is a exercize in not-letting-go,

  ......letting go of what?
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  I don't think God is fair./what do u think?

  by wednesday in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my therapist and i talked about the bible, specifically, adam and eve and their sinning by eating from the forbidden fruit.

  he says it is really a great lesson on consequences of your actions.

  i agreed and we talked at some length about it, but one thing i decided, god was not fair.

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  ellderwho

  I don't know. The STORY seems to indicate that they did not catch him by surprise because he already had a contingency plan ready to go. Which tree? The tree of knowledge or the tree of life?

  The tree of "good and evil" ....So, you'll agree that they, A&E were predisposed to sin. Further, why would God allow satan to foil a chioce given to man, and God already knowing the outcome?

  Maybe both the tree of knowledge was the test, if they passed after a certain number of years, they got to eat from the tree of life ..........

  Would passing this test turn God into a spectator?
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  I don't think God is fair./what do u think?

  by wednesday in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my therapist and i talked about the bible, specifically, adam and eve and their sinning by eating from the forbidden fruit.

  he says it is really a great lesson on consequences of your actions.

  i agreed and we talked at some length about it, but one thing i decided, god was not fair.

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  ellderwho

  Gen 2:17 God says that if they eat from the tree of knowledge, "...you will positively die." Satan said in Gen 2:4, promised them that "...you positively will not die." Death here was the issue. So, when they disobeyed, God put them OUT of the Garden of Eden because he did not want them to eat from a stupid tree of life Gen 3:22, "that he may not put his hand out and actually take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live to tiem indefinite"

  Little Toe welcome back, didnt we spend a couple of months on this very subject?

  Jez, Did Adam and Eve catch God by suprise with their decision. And why was the tree there to begin with?
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  The Jewish Messiah?

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  moshe wrote in another thread:i studied with a rabbi and found out why i was so confused by the nt gospel teachings.

  of course, i never bothered to ask any jew what they teach about their messiah, i just assumed that the christian teaching about the jewish messiah matched what the jews believed about the coming messiah in the 1st century-not!

  you've only vaguely brushed up against your jewish knowledge on this forum, at least that i've seen.

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  ellderwho

  I guess, it depends on which Jews you want to believe.

  D,Dog that pretty much says it all.
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  Airing times of Michael Jackson's Secret Childhood

  by Dogpatch in

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  all times est

  mon 2.7.

  michael jackson's secret childhood

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  ellderwho

  I saw it. Very good. Alot of doctrine was presented with pictures of WT doom. I put this right up there with Dateline.
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  Hello, I need a few JW views on a couple of bible verses. Thanks!

  by Chance in

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  hello jw forums,.

  after careful study i was curious to hear the views & interpretations of a bible verse from a few jws.. .

  after reading each of the following verses ask yourself, what does that verse mean?.

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  ellderwho

  Chance,

  After you hit reply, and you want to quote someone, cut and paste into this area and highlight, move cursor next to the smiley face and click the white quotations button.

  ellderwho
  Quote: ?Another words, the atonement would make us savable??
  
  Jesus paid the price for our salvation. Yes.

  Are you saying yes that the atonement makes us savable?

  We have the choice to accept him and live our lives with him or deny him and live our lives for ourselves. And of course he would rather us love him back but only by our free will.

  So once we accept the gift we then decide to act on this?
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  Pivitol Date Stuff

  by IP_SEC in

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  i dont "get" the whole 1914 thing.

  the 'prophetic rule'?

  day fer a year?

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  ellderwho

  Thanks CF,

  Scholar posts the following in response to you:

  Harking back to Zechariah 1:7 whereupon the angel declares that Jehovah had denounced Jerusalem and the cities of Judah these seventy years. This must and only must refer to an already elapsed or expired period of time as it could only have referred to that period when the Land of Judah lay desolate, such an event was signified right up to the present day by regular fastings.

  This is an absolute joke! Actually Scholar means verse 14.

  Would not the Angel of the LORD said 'those seventy years" instead of "these seventy years"?

  "must and only must"....................

  Yeah Okay!
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  Hello, I need a few JW views on a couple of bible verses. Thanks!

  by Chance in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello jw forums,.

  after careful study i was curious to hear the views & interpretations of a bible verse from a few jws.. .

  after reading each of the following verses ask yourself, what does that verse mean?.

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  ellderwho

  Chance, welcome to the forum.

  Im a little confused by your statements about Christs' atonement.

  It?s by his glory that we may be forgiven and our sins washed away to become worthy of Gods grace.

  How does one become worthy? (scripturally speaking)

  We cannot be worthy by our own works or understanding. Only by accepting Jesus? gift can our lives be healed.

  Then you state our inability of obtaining worthiness

  Only by accepting Jesus? gift can our lives be healed.

  Another words, the atonement would make us savable?