Posts by ellderwho

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Perfection

by Deputy Dog in

perfection

after a discussion with a couple of current jws, it's come to my attention that my conception of perfection in "the kingdom" is very different from theirs.

on pages 188 & 189 of the knowledge book, we see the society's (or artist's) conception.

ellderwho

For example, they believe that one can choose to become evil in the New System.....but Jehovah will not tolerate it and that person would be snuffed by him in short order. The practice of sinning will not be allowed to be carried on for any length of time, although sinning will be allowed.

This presents yet another problem. There will certainly be death in 'paradise' the Jw can not reconcile this contradictory issue. Their paradise is a confusing place.Clothes or not.

Esspecially with Gumbdongs comments

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

ellderwho

But these are no "OT texts" strictly speaking.

Correct. I believe they are considered 'extant' references.

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

Nark, there are peices of "silver amulets" kept at the Israel Antiquities Authority found in 1985 south of old city walls Jerusalem. They bear a copy of the priestly benediction similar to Num.6:22-27 in the MT.

I believe these are the oldest OT texts extant. (Hebrew)

http://www.truthnews.net/world/2004090231.htm

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

ellderwho

Nark,

I would be interested in your comments re: "Silver Amulets" dating to the mid to seventh century B.C. Ingraved with "hebrew texts"

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Verses deleted and Mangled by the Watchtower

by AWAKEJWS in

*col 1:16: nwt: because by mean of him all [other] things were created.

but the watchtower changed the word ?god?

*re 1:11 nwt: these words deleted completely.. .

ellderwho

Welcome, awakejws

Thanks for taking the time to share.

EW

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

ellderwho

Ecstatic philology seems to be a fascinating discipline.

~chuckles~ Nicely put Nark.

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The doctrine of the Tri-Part man.

by LittleToe in

recently there have been discussions about the immortal soul, v's the wts beliefs, so i thought i'd present a little heard of (in jw circles) doctrine of the soul that seeks to explain some passages of scripture that are usually avoided.. first of all, leo posted some fascination information, which gives some background on the bible's general teaching on the soul:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/80742/1319806/post.ashx#1319806.

the doctrine itself surrounds two texts in particular, which i quote from the nwt:.

ellderwho

I think he became a tri-part man, like the rest of us. The significant difference being that his spirit was "God", of God, connected to God (?) rather than "man", of God, connected to God.

Ok we have the flesh and spirit, now what of the soul? Jesus soul that somehow doesnt sound right.

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Review: Draw Close to Jehovah Book

by Sirona in

i read the draw close to jehovah book because a jehovahs witness told me that it had some ?deep?

spiritual information in it.

the book appears, at first glance, to be all about knowing jehovah god and his attributes.

ellderwho

Thanks for the review,

I recall reading this book a couple of years ago and getting the same impressions. Please continue.

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

ellderwho

LT, Do you think Jesus was triune in the flesh?

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

ellderwho

LT, You'll have to explain how that "oblong circle" representing Christ theory works?