by kristyann 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • kristyann

    Hey all... I'm new to this forum... I was wondering if anyone could help me out.... I have been reading all over the place that there are a bunch of new articles out attacking higher education/college. Which issues are these in? I heard that they're in more than one issue.... is it Watchtower or Awake or both? Could anyone tell me the exact dates of the issues and which one (WT or Awake).... also... where can I pick these up? I really want copies of them to show to someone still involved w/the WTS to show them how nuts it is... but I don't know where to get them. Should I stroll into a random KH and act interested and ask for them?

    Thanks all, and sorry if this was annoying!

  • Gerard

    Hello. For older articles take a look at:

  • blondie

    The district convention this year had some talks about as well.

    I think the 10/15/05 WT has a study article on it as well.

  • schne_belly

    Sorry I can't help you on that,but.......


  • Joel Wideman
    Joel Wideman

    Welcome to the board, and while the Dubs annoying, questions about them generally are not. :D

  • Mary

    I read something last month where they slammed higher education. I'll see if I can dig it out. In the meantime, here's a couple of other quotes from the Kingdumb Ministery which really puts higher education in a negative light:

    *** km 2001/6/01 p. 2 Service Meeting Schedule ***


    min: Youths—Be Wise in Choosing Your Career. This is the first of three Service Meeting parts that will review Scriptural principles related to supplemental education. Some Christian youths are pursuing secular careers through higher education, which is having a negative impact on their spirituality. This part is a discussion between two parents and their teenage son or daughter. The youth is at a point where a serious decision needs to be made about future goals. Although some may want to pursue financial advantages, prestige, or comforts of life, the family examine the Bible to see what it recommends. (See Young People Ask, pages 174-5; The Watchtower, August 15, 1997, page 21, and September 1, 1999, pages 19-21, paragraphs 1-3 and 5-6.) The youth agrees that it is wise to pursue a course in life that will serve him or her well in achieving theocratic goals to advance Kingdom interests.


    km 6/00 p. 1 "Your Labor Is Not in Vain" ***


    What an encouraging thought! Your labor in Jehovah’s service is not in vain. (1 Cor. 15:58) In contrast, think of how people labor long and hard trying to improve their status in life or their financial situation. They may pursue higher education for years or work slavishly to get ahead materially. Yet, because of "time and unforeseen occurrence," they may never attain the prestige they are seeking, or they may be forced to settle for much less than they want materially. Like "a striving after wind," their efforts are in vain. (Eccl. 1:14; 9:11) How vital, then, that we have plenty to do in the only work that is not in vain because it has lasting value!


    km 2/90 p. 3 Showing Trust in Jehovah by Pioneering ***


    Putting Kingdom interests first requires trust in Jehovah. (Ps. 56:11; Prov. 3:5; Matt. 6:33) We have to turn our mind away from what the world considers important and concentrate on spiritual values. While the world appeals to the desire for material things, Jehovah entreats us to be content with the really important things.—1 Tim. 6:8; Phil. 1:10.

    2 This is especially a challenge to Christian youths who want to take Jehovah’s commands seriously. They may be pressured by their teachers and their peers at school who consider higher education essential to success in life. While recognizing they have material needs, many Christian youths wisely resist such pressure and choose the pioneer ministry as their career. Trusting in Jehovah’s promises, they look to him to care for their needs.


    km 8/82 p. 3 Youths—Serve Jehovah With Loyalty ***

    Loyal youths share in congregation meetings, as well as in the field ministry. They avoid isolating themselves. (Prov. 18:1) Increasing numbers of young ones are rejecting high-paying jobs or higher education in favor of a career in the ministry. They humbly accept counsel and direction from older ones that will enable them to continue in loyal sacred service

    *** km 1/80 p. 3 Are You the Only Member of Your Family in the Truth? ***


    Many of our teen-age or younger publishers are the only ones of their families in the truth. In spite of strict family tradition and intense pressure to pursue higher education, one young Oriental brother stood firm in his determination to pioneer. By his fine example, his younger sister also accepted the truth and both of them are now pioneering.


    km 5/73 p. 4 What is Your Heart’s Desire? ***


    College Education to Pioneer

    Not all those who are pioneering now had that desire originally. There were those who wanted higher education in order to get ahead in the world. One pioneer sister serving in Hawaii comments: "My goal was to get a good college education. I entered college and became inactive spiritually. However, I found college very dissatisfying. I thought there must be something better in life, something to make life more rewarding. I began to attend meetings again and associated with pioneers. Soon I left college and pursued the desire to serve Jehovah as a pioneer."


    yp chap. 22 pp. 177-178 What Career Should I Choose? ***

    Another concern is the well-documented association of exposure to higher education with decreased "adherence to core religious tenets." (The Sacred in a Secular Age) The pressure to maintain high grades has caused some Christian youths to neglect spiritual activities and thus become vulnerable to the onslaught of secular thinking promoted by universities. Some have suffered shipwreck concerning their faith.—Colossians 2:8.


    to University Education

    In view of these facts, many Christian youths have decided against a university education. Many have found that the training offered in congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses—the weekly Theocratic Ministry School in particular—has given them a real edge in finding employment. Though not possessing a university degree, such youths learn to be poised, adept at expressing themselves, and quite capable of handling responsibility. Furthermore, while in secondary school, some take courses in typing, computer programming, auto repair, machine-shop work, and so forth. Such skills may lend themselves to part-time employment and are often in high demand. And though many youths disdain ‘working with their hands,’ the Bible dignifies doing "hard work." (Ephesians 4:28; compare Proverbs 22:29.) Why, Jesus Christ himself learned a trade so well that he came to be called "the carpenter"!—Mark 6:3.

    True, in some lands university graduates have so flooded the job market that it is hard to obtain even commonplace jobs without some additional job training. But often there are apprenticeship programs, vocational or technical schools, and short-term university courses that teach marketable skills with a minimum investment of time and money. Never forget, too, that there is a factor that employment statistics do not take into account: God’s promise to provide for those who give priority to spiritual interests.

    Another Hawaiian sister relates the following: "My father wanted me to attend college on a scholarship. I had the desire to learn enough to see if human philosophies could help people with their problems. After one year of college, I realized the vanity of worldly wisdom and discontinued my college scholarship. My mother was a fine example as a pioneer. There were other zealous pioneers in the congregation, and their faith and zeal were contagious, stimulating a desire in me to join them in the pioneer service.

    "After one circuit overseer’s visit, I was determined to become a pioneer. I talked to my mother about this and, due to my father’s not being in the truth, felt that I would have to leave home to pioneer. I explained to mother that, even if it meant leaving home to pioneer, I would do so. The thought of our becoming separated caused both of us to cry. I prayed that Jehovah would soften my father’s heart so that he would let me pioneer and remain at home. Jehovah answered my prayer and I have enjoyed a number of years at home in the pioneer service. Part-time work has been available to support mysel

  • Rayvin

    The Watchtower: Oct 1, 2005

    Page 29.

    What is the value of Higher Education?

    Most people who enroll in a university look forward to earning a degree that will open doors for them to well-paying secure jobs. Government reports show, however, that only about one quarter of those who go to college earn a degree within six years- a dismal success rate. Even so, does that degree translate into a good job? Note what current research and studies have to say.

    "Going to Harvard or Duke won't automatically produce a better job and higher pay... Companies don't know much aobut young employment candidates. A shiny credential may impress. But after that , what people can or can't do counts for more."- Newsweek, November 1, 1999.

    "While today's typical job requires higher skills than in the past.., the skills required for these jobs are strong high school-level skills-math, reading , and writing at a night-grade level..., not college-leel skills. ....Students do not need to go to college to get a good job, but they do need to master high school-level skills."--- American Educator, Spring 2004

    "Most colleges are seriously out of step with the real world in getting students ready to become workers in the postcollege world. Vocational schools... are seeing a mini-boom. Their enrollment grew 48% from 1996 to 2000... Meanwhile, those expensive, time-sucking college diplomas have become worth less than ever. " ---Time , January 24, 2005

    "Projections from the U.S. Department of Labor through 2005 paint the chilling scenario that at least one-third of all four-year college graduates will not find emloyment that matches their degrees." -- The Futurist, July/August 2000.

    In view of all of this, more and more educators are seriously doubting the value of higher education today. "We are educating people for the wrong futures," laments the Futurist report. In contrast, note what the Bible says about God: " I , Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit yourself, the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk. O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea. " -- Isaigh 48:17, 18

    (((nice little ending bible quote telling us to let God teach us not college)))

  • Mary

    OK, here it is: The October 1st, 2005 WT article called: Parents--What Future Do You Want For Your Children?

    Sorry, but I don't feel like typing the entire article, so I'll just give you some highlights:

    Par 5: "....those who put Kingdom interests first in their life, especially those pursing the full time ministry have the same assurance that he will care for them. Some parents, however, are ambivalent in this regard. On the one hand, they would like to see their children make advancement in Jehovah's service, perhaps in time entering the full time ministry. On the other hand, considering the economic and employment situation in the world today, they feel that it is important for young ones to get a good education first so that they will have the necessary qualifications for a desireable job or at least have something to fall back on if needed. To such parents, a good education often means higher education.

    Par 8: "...What then are Christian parents to do? Of course they want their children to do well in school and learn the necessary skills for maintaining themselves in the days ahead. But should they simply let their children be swept along by the spirit of competition for material advancement and success? What sort of goals do they put before their children either by word or by personal example? Some parents work very hard and save so as to be able to send their children to institutions of higher learning when the time comes. Others are willing to go into debt for this purpose. The cost of such a decision cannot be measure merely in dollars and cents..."

    Par 10: ".....The Wall Street Journal reports that in one Souteast Asian country (can you say: "Japan"?) the government runs a "pyramid-style school structure that pushes the cream to the top." "The top"......means placement in the world's elite institutions---Oxford and Cambridge in England, the Ivy League schols in the United States and others. [this is done to] fuel the national economy..........the price that the students pay is a life engrossed in advancing the present system. Though such a way of life is highly sought after in the world, is it what Christian parents want for their children?

    Par 11: "...University and college camuses are notorious for.......drug and alcohol abuse, immorality, cheating, hazing and the list goes on.

    Par 12: "...In addition to the bad enviroment, there is the pressure of schoolwork and examinations. Naturally students need to study and do their homeowrk to pass the exams. (ya think?) Some may also need to hold a part time job while going to school. All of this takes a greal deal of their time and energy. What then will be left for spiritual activities? When pressures mount, what will be let go? Will Kingdom interests still come first or will they be put aside?.........How sad that some have fallen away from the faith as a result of succumbing to the demands on their time and energy or of getting entangles in unscriptural conduct at college!

    Par 13: "...immorality, bad behaviour and pressures are not limited to college and university campuses.......Should Christian parents knowingly expose their children to that kind of environment for four or more years? Is the risk involved worth whatever benefit the young ones may receive? And most important what are the young ones learning about things that should come first in their life? Parents must give serious and prayerful consideration to these questions, as well as to the danger of sending their children away to school in another city or country.

    Par 15: "...Rather than be caught up by the materialistic spirit of the world, all of us need to keep our senses----our spiritual bearings. If you are a young person ask yourself: 'What are my plans for pursuing my ministry "fully"? Have I considered taking up full-time service as a career?' These ar challenging questions, especially when you see other youths indulging in selfish pursuits, "seeking great things" that they think will lead to a bright future.

    It then goes on to say that "community colleges" or "technical certificate" is okay---as long as you're only doing it to get a part time job so you can pioneer.

    So there ya go. After this study takes place in early November, anyone who encourages their children to go to university will be seen as "prideful" and "spiritually weak"----in other words, not good association.....yes, it's better to be a Cheese and Cracker Brother and pioneer rather than trying to actually make something of yourself. And you won't need an education. The previous study article on October 31 called: "Keep On the Watch" says that Armageddon is coming soon to a theatre near you and that you shouldn't "lose your sense of urgency."

    What assholes.

  • Rayvin

    The best things about the Watchtowers articles are the questions that make you answer the way they want you to!!!!! lol

    Example. Par. 19. question . What is the surest way to a life of joy and contentment? --(from the article) ...a career in ful-time service to Jehovah is without doubt the surest way to a life of joy and contenment.

    par 18. q. What job opportunities might young ones consider? ((from article)) go to com. college or tech school and take a short course for auto repair, plumbing, hairdressing. Are these desireable jobs? Certainly!...they offer the means and flexiblity needed by those whose true vocation is service to Jehovah.

    par 13. q. What questions must Christion parents consider? (( )) Is the risk involved worth whatever benefit the young ones may receive? And most important, what are the young ones learning about things that should come first in their life?* *For accounts of those who valued theocratic education more than university education, see The Watchtower, May 1982.. ....

    The list goes on.. they don't want the Truth or the real answers to these questions..

  • kristyann

    THANKS, everyone! Thanks for all the info and for welcoming me!

    **** If any of you actually typed all of that out and didn't copy and paste it from somewhere, thanks so much! I really appreciate that, cause that must have taken quite a bit of time!

    You're all very sweet and helpful, and I can tell I'm gonna like it here!

    By the way... this might sound stupid... and I do know an awful lot about the WTS, Jehovah's Witnesses and am constantly getting all the info I can... so it might sound stupid that I don't know something as basic as this... but why do you call them "dubs?"

    THANKS AGAIN, GUYS for the help!

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