That is a good question there and it does come up every once in awhile . It does look like as if non anointed people can commit those type of sins . In revelation the beast worshippers are snuffed out and sounds as if they are directly thrown into the second death . The apostles did write about knowing the truth and then loving the darkness after having known the truth as being unforgivable , of course all first century men had the opportunity of co- rulership with crist . I believe it possible that people can be anointed but not have the hope of co-rulership much like some of the jews were anointed but are not co-rulers with christ . The final test there I think is to die in martyrdom .
Only spirit anointed can commit the unforgiveable sin
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anewme
"Moronic little dogmas"! I suppose you believe the God who created the cosmos is only interested in painting huge universe-scapes? Or is he only interested in weather phenomena? Or how about gravity? No, wait, he is interested only in chemistry. What do you think are Gods interests?????
I'd say he has a few more than most people do. Arent you the least bit impressed by his mind's greatness?
To say he is interested in his human creation and letting them know they are loved and that he has a plan for their care...(The Bible) is MORONIC??????
Do you think he is only interested in gases? Rocks? Air flow? Photosynthesis? Light speed?
These do not praise him nor can they love him and appreciate him.
How much more precious in his eyes is a human being.
My point for this discussion is to remind us all that even though we have been dfd and are shunned as Satan's ghouls by family and former friends, that is not how God views us.
Jesus gave us the story of the prodigal son to let us know the mind of God on the matter of sin and returning to him and receiving forgiveness.
I believe the majority of us fall into this category and not the category of unforgiveable sin that Christ also spoke of at Matt. 12:31,32 -
anewme
True, those put to death in the Revelation Armageddon looks like they are judged eternally.
Oh well.
We have to accept God as he is and accept his plan whatever it is. We really have no say about it.
I had a father who loved me, yet when I needed some money in my teens and early twenties he would not let me have it. I was so bitter!
When he died he willed me a great sum of money. He had his own plans for his money. Even though he loved me he was not going to change his plans for my immediate relief. I learned a lesson from this experience with my father.
Since God is not a creation of our minds, he is his own person, we must deal with him as he is.
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My point for this discussion is to remind us all that even though we have been dfd and are shunned as Satan's ghouls by family and former friends, that is not how God views us.
I'm not df'd . never was in the organization . In fact I df'd them, the little back biting creeps . I HATEM I HATEM I HATEM..................... They are rotten to the bone .
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JamesThomas
"Moronic little dogmas"! I suppose you believe the God who created the cosmos is only interested in painting huge universe-scapes? Or is he only interested in weather phenomena? Or how about gravity? No, wait, he is interested only in chemistry. What do you think are Gods interests?????
You, suppose wrong.
Arent you the least bit impressed by his mind's greatness?
I am indescribably impressed and in awe of the infinite expression of life and universe, However, unlike you seem to, I do not reduce it's Source and Sustenance down to an finite, anthropomorphic, male deity, as presented in the Bible. Ever wonder how an INFINITE universe flowed forth from such a moronic, human-like, little deity as that portrayed within the pages of the Bible? If not, why not? Do you feel it is a sin to exalt God infinitely higher than the lowly and shallow pages of the Bible? Strange how a book can clip our wings and act as a ton of dead weight.
To say he is interested in his human creation and letting them know they are loved and that he has a plan for their care...(The Bible) is MORONIC??????
You seem to unquestionably assume -- I imagine because the Bible told you so -- that God is some object, thing or deity separate from what you would call "his creation". Why assume God is so tiny and far away, too circumscribed and puny as to be present within all? In your view it seems God is but another fragment or character within the universe. In my view, all the universes and phenomena exist with what the word G-O-D points to. You are certainly free to worship a far lesser god; but is the true God less, or more, you think? Since the Bible portrays a lesser god, a very small and extremely limited one, then yes, I would say the Bible is moronic; and those who do not seriously question such, are fools.
Do you think he is only interested in gases? Rocks? Air flow? Photosynthesis? Light speed?
These do not praise him nor can they love him and appreciate him.How the hell do you know?! Are you capable of being present with and conscious of all the endless ways the universe acknowledges it's infinite Source? Here again you assume God is far away and phenomena is dead, cut-off and separate from God. That you foolishly believe God so tiny as to be absent, certainly does not make it so. I wouldn't be surprised if the average rock knew far more about God that you and your holy book.
Jesus gave us the story of the prodigal son to let us know the mind of God on the matter of sin and returning to him and receiving forgiveness.
I believe the majority of us fall into this category and not the category of unforgiveable sin that Christ also spoke of at Matt. 12:31,32Is God so small that we can be separate from It, and so must "return to him"? In your Bible and your beliefs, yes; but is this true? Is God less, or more? Little and far away, or closer? Perhaps, if we took our attention out of a book, and focused it deeper into our own being, here and now, we might discover what has no beginning or an end, our true Source and Sustenance.
I applaud that you say you love God; so why is it you so easily and unquestionably accept such diminutive descriptions of your beloved as given you by ancient goat herders and warriors? Is it God you love, or others beliefs about a god -- that you love?
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JT are you saying that if there is a God he must be omnipresent or something in order for you to accept his existence ?
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Narkissos
anewme,
Reading your posts again it seems to me that you are presently watching the world and its history from a very specific spot -- as any of us is.
What seems obvious to you from this standpoint is highly questionable from another's perspective -- that's what makes discussion both challenging and worthwhile.
Let me list a few assumptions which lie behind your worldview as far as I can gather:
(1) The very concept of monotheism which happened to emerge in the old Jewish texts, identifying one ancient Israelite deity (Yhwh) as the only true "God" was right. There is actually such a "God" out there.
(2) The later Christian interpretation(s) of this Jewish inheritance was(were) right too.
(3) As the result of (1) + (2) + x, the Christian (probably Protestant) Bible you are acquainted with is really the Word of the only "God".
(4) The 20th-century JW reinterpretation of the Christian Bible (including the original doctrine of two classes of believers, "anointed" vs. "non-anointed") is substantially right too.
On this forum you will find every single one of those assumptions challenged. This may hurt sometimes, but it is a great opportunity to think it over and broaden your worldview if you're willing to.