Scholar: You are truly amasing. A dosen people give you logical arguments why it is more probable that Jesus died on a cross, or a T-shaped device, and all you`re able to come up with, is:
What the Gospel eyewitnesses saw was a stauros or stake upopn which Jesus was impaled.
...an "argument" which you just keep on repeating, endlessly. However, it is no argument at all! The eyewitnesses refer to a "stauros", which is the word (and it`s meaning) we are in fact discussing here!!! What part of that sentence is it that you are unable to understand?
My argument based upon Deut 21:29 negates your maybe but is affirmed by the Apostle Paul in Galatians who describes the fulfillment as Jesus was hung on a tree or stake, nothing at all about a cross
...and that is the point! Paul says Jesus was hung on a "stauros"! Again ( i feel like I am explaining something to a retard here): This word, and its meaning, is what we are discussing here! What part of that sentence is it that you don`t understand? Also, only a JW would be inable to understand that Deutoronomy is actually fulfilled, whether Jesus died on a cross or a pole. The use of crosses, both the -|- shape, the T-shape and the X-shape, only came into use in the last three centuries BC. And that would make it impossible for the author of Deuteronomy to refer to a "cross", the author of that text would have to refer to something similar, and something that was in use at that time. At that time, the custom was to stone trespassers and lawbreakers to death, as in Leviticus: 20:2 “You are to say to the Israelites, ‘Any man from the Israelites or from the foreigners who reside in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech must be put to death; the people of the people of the land must pelt him with stones"
Joshua 10:26 "Then Joshua executed them and hung them on five trees. They were left hanging on the trees until evening. 10:27 At sunset Joshua ordered his men to take them down from the trees.They threw them into the cave where they had hidden and piled large stones over the mouth of the cave. (They remain to this very day.)"
...This is the custom of the old israelites, first stoning, then being hung on a stake. And already on this point, the customs described in the OT is not "fulfilled" as a prophecy (in the sense of Jesus`death) in the NT! - at least not int the way WT-doctrine would demand that it be fulfilled! It is not a problem for the rest of christianity, because they are able to see the analogy either way, it doesn`t really matter if it`s a stake (as would be the custom, had Jesus been executed under Jewish law, he would of course have been stoned first), or a cross (which is how he was actually executed, under roman law). The analogy is there, either way. But according to JW-doctrine, Jesus had to be killed the jewish way, to fulfill"prophecy". Well, first of all, he wasn`t stoned first. But more importantly, celebrated Scholar, answer me this: HOW LONG DID JESUS HANG ON THE CROSS!? He hung there over night, didn`t he?!? ! In spite of jewish custom and law! How do you get that to fit with your JW-doctrine? So you see, the romans didn`t give a rats ass about jewish custom and tradition. They didn`t care about the method of execution, or whether having Jesus hang there over night! Pilate didn`t tell his soldiers "make sure it`s a pole, because that`s what the jewish law says".
My argument based upon Deut 21:29 negates your maybe but is affirmed by the Apostle Paul in Galatians who describes the fulfillment as Jesus was hung on a tree or stake,
Again, you are simply repeating yourself. Galatians 3.13 says: "cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree". The greek word is "zulon". And the meaning of "zulon", is dependent on its context. Leolaia has already shown you that it could mean "table","chair" or whatever, depending on the context. The net-bible (http://www.bible.org/netbible/) says in its footnote: sn A quotation from Deut 21:23. By figurative extension the Greek word translated tree ( zuvlon , zulon ) can also be used to refer to a cross (L&N 6.28), the Roman instrument of execution. So please don`t just repeat yourself even more on this issue. It just makes you look stupid.
I have remove the maybe and could be to the realm of scriptural and historical certainty, Jesus died on a stake. Pure and simple. scholar rides off in conquest. scholar JW
Just keep on riding, celebrated Scholar, ride away into your neverending desert of ignorance. But I`m not going to tell you go jump in the Gehenna again. Like some of the others here, I am beginning to see you as an asset. You display the most horrible ignorance, you`re making yourself looking more and more like a retard, on every issue you are partaking in. So just keep up the good work.
