elder,
that really was a funny bit of propaganda/rhetoric you posted. you could start by replying in your own words, to the points brought up in the article on talk origins that deal with the fallacies you posted. however, you should also know a few things regarding evolution vs. creationism:
- there are not two equal sides to the issue. biologists have a legitimate time tested theory on the diversity of life. creationists do not have this. they have an honest desire to be equal with biologists, but it just does not work that way no matter how much rhetoric and wishing goes on. this is evidence that no creationists, including IDers , actually know what a theory is, let alone present one in a legitimate manner. this circumventing of peer review helps no one, especially the lay public. YOU HAVE STILL NOT ANSWERED MY CHALLENGE.
- no matter how much you want to believe otherwise, it does not change the fact that creationists are the only camp that start their debate with presuppositions. biologists and other scientists like paleontologists, do not start with presuppositions, as they start with KNOWLEDGE, not empty arguments. why can i say this? well, look at the definition of presupposition and you will see, that since creationists do not have an actual scientific theory of the diversity of life, they are the only presuppositionalists :
the act of presupposing; a supposition made prior to having knowledge (as for the purpose of argument)
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
- there are such things as implicit assertions. biologists and paleontologists do not have one about god. not because they are atheists, but because the theory of evolution does not touch on ORIGINS (as many creationists like to say), and does not touch on the existence of god (like many creationists like to say). so it does not matter either way to the theory of evolution whether god caused it all or not. - CREATIONISTS, however, DO have implicit assertions about god. by their very arguments, they assert implicitly that he exists in the first place, and that he caused all. this is NOT scientific. this is faith. faith=not science. science=not faith. so in order for creationism to actually work scientifically, first YOU MUST prove that god exists, and THEN prove that he actually created everything. so far, creationists have done NEITHER OF THESE TWO THINGS.
- the fact that you refuse to learn about evolution, and you refuse to study any fossils apart from full, 100% skeletons, shows that you have an ulterior motive, and that you truly do not want to see the reality of the situation. you want to reinforce your narrow interpretation of the bible, so that you can be right, and the rest of the world, including 99% of scientists, can be wrong, all wrong.
After watching that tho I was left with, boy the evolutionist really doesnt have much in the way of real progression of bones as the lay person invisions transition. From what the piece presented.
that history channel presentation was quite poor from what i hear. supposedly it had paleontologists spotting a fragment of bone from a moving car and stopping only to discover that it was an amazing find. paleontology, does not work like this. indiana jones is sexy, but it's not science.
but who cares? it's TV for christ's sake. the producers were trying to make it entertaining so that lay people would be interested in learning anything about this fascinating subject.
you act as though scientists were part of a religion, and that we keep dropping the ball on official chruch doctrine. this is simply a falsehood. you keep implying and stating that there is no evidence for evolution, paleontological or otherwise, and yet you ignore the sources i posted to you. you ignore questions and challenges. this is dishonest. lay person or not, you really have no right to read creationist web sites, apolgetic books AND weigh in on evolution being a legitimate theory or not.
would jesus be proud of you for knowingly spreading disinformation to the detriment of humanity? are you being a good christian? i'll let your conscience decide.
again:
i would like one link from you that proves that we were created by god. i want full proof, not just circular logic. i want evidence that not only turns the theory of evolution on it's head, but also does a better job of explaining the data and answering where we come from, how we evolved, and what we can expect to find in the future.
i await your evidence for creation.
TS