A Libation To The Gods..

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  • tijkmo
    tijkmo

    *** g85 1/8 p. 27 Why the Clinking of Glasses? ***

    Why the Clinking of Glasses?Have you ever noticed people at parties or in restaurants clinking their beverage glasses before taking a drink? If you asked them why they did this, most of them could not give you an answer. Or they may feel it is a harmless act among friends.

    However, they may be surprised to learn that it is an ancient superstitious custom. According to the American Library Association, thousands of years ago people had the ridiculous notion that when they took a drink the Devil could enter their bodies through their open mouth. And they actually believed that this evil spirit could be frightened by noise. So to avoid this danger they noisily banged their goblets. In Europe, drinkers still bash their beer steins or make the sign of the cross. And some primitive people, including certain Africans, will ring bells before downing their drinks.

    so surely then avoiding this practice because of its origin is to give credence to the custom which the awake clearly says was a ridiculous notion

    slange

  • Englishman
    Englishman


    OMG..she's actually quoted the WT verbatim to me in her telephone conversation. Which means she's done some research ready for such an occasion. Look at this:

    WT. 1/1/68:

    Questions

    from Readers

    Is it proper for Christians to "drink a toast" when they get together?—M. D., U.S.A.

    In some lands, when acquaintances are about to part, they have a parting drink of some alcoholic beverage, with glasses raised and touched together and accompanied with an expression of ‘to your health’ or something similar. At wedding receptions frequently a toast is similarly offered to the health and happiness of the newlyweds. Understandably, some have questioned whether it would be Scripturally proper for Christians to share in such toasts.

    Certainly there is nothing wrong with a Christian’s wishing a friend happiness and good health. Nor would it be improper to do so as a group. The spiritually older men in the first century concluded a letter to the Christian congregations with an expression meaning, essentially, "Good health to you!"—Acts 15:29.

    But is that all there is to "toasting"? Why do the toasters raise their glasses, or lift their mugs and clink them together? Is it in imitation of some custom? Note what The Encyclopædia Britannica, 11 th Ed., Volume 13, page 121, says:

    "The custom of drinking ‘health’ to the living is most probably derived from the ancient religious rite of drinking to the gods and the dead. The Greeks and Romans at meals poured out libations to their gods, and at ceremonial banquets drank to them and to the dead." Then, after showing how such pagan customs survived among Scandinavian and Teutonic peoples, this reference work adds: "Intimately associated with these quasi-sacrificial drinking customs must have been the drinking to the health of living men."

    When most people join in a "toast" they probably do not imagine that they might be copying the custom of lifting up a libation or liquid sacrifice to pagan gods, yet that could be so. Without question, a faithful Christian would not share in an actual pagan sacrifice, realizing that "you cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons." (1 Cor. 10:21) A mature Christian would also avoid even imitating false religious rituals. This spiritually mature course would please Jehovah. Remember, God specifically warned the Israelites against copying religious practices of the pagan nations round about them.—Lev. 19:27; 21:5.

    If a Christian is going to make a request for divine blessing on another, then an appropriate way to do that is through heartfelt prayer to God, not by following traditions based on pagan worship that Jehovah abhors.—Phil. 1:9; 2 Cor. 1:11.

    Customs and traditions abound all over the earth. If a mature Christian knew that a particular one was directly based on false religion, obviously he would avoid it. But not all customs are objectionable. Some may simply be local practices or etiquette without a false religious origin, such as greeting by shaking hands or bowing. (Gen. 23:7) Each individual can consider what he knows about a particular custom and his own motive with regard to it. Just why is he doing it? He might also ask himself, ‘Will doing this stumble others, or will people in the community link my actions with false religion?’ (1 Cor. 10:32, 33) No one else can serve as the conscience for a particular Christian; hence each one can think the matter over and make a decision so as to have a clear conscience.—Acts 23:1; 2 Cor. 1:12.

    YEUK.

    Englishman.

  • the_classicist
    the_classicist

    So it's only a libations when you clink the glasses together and some drink falls on the ground. Otherwise, it is an unsuccessful sacrifice.

  • robhic
    robhic
    But is that all there is to "toasting"? Why do the toasters raise their glasses, or lift their mugs and clink them together?

    Because it would be difficult if not impossible to clink the damn glasses if everyone kept their arms at their side!!! DUH! What a sucky toast it would be if everyone just gestured with their glass alongside their body and said something nice about the subject of the toast. It would more resemble the Italian gesture of distaste than a freaking toast.

    Congratulations on the wedding, nonetheless and I'll toast you with my glass (or cup or can...) in the air next time I get a drink, dammit!

    Robert

  • riotgirlpeeps
    riotgirlpeeps

    Whenever any witness mentions anything of pagan origin I always am reminded of the heart symbol. I don't think there is a jw that doesn't have a little heart drawn on something even if done by the kids. Hmmmm another dose of pagan origins anyone?

    Btw thats wonderful about your son's wedding.

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