That's it really. I just want to catch up on the latest DA policy. I know if you have a blood transfusion, or send in a letter of DA you get kicked out, but are there any other situations where the elders can DA?
philo
How do you get DISASSOCIATED ?
by philo 13 Replies latest jw friends
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philo
I hope this won't sound piquey, but I guess from the quiet response to this question, that there are only two ways to get disassociated: on blood, or voluntarily.
philo
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Francois
How 'bout if you join the military?
Speaking of DAing. Is it still the policy of the JWs to disfellowship sisters who've been raped if they don't report screaming during the attack?
These old farts who came up with this policy really don't know much about the female sexual response, do they? I wonder if they even realize how they reveal their lack of experience when they make a policy like that ?
piquey???
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Richie
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belbab
How do you get disassociated?
Well if you are a little kid and you go to the meetings and some one picks you up and hauls you to the shitter and rapes you, and you find the event so traumatic you disassociate yourself from memories of the event, but they lurk in your unconcious for the rest of your life, and influences your outlook and you don't even know why you have that outlook.
Oh, sorry, am I on the right thread?
belbab, gathering my self together.
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ozziepost
How do you get DISASSOCIATED?
Just send this thread 'to a friend' giving the address of www.watchtower.org
Cheers,
Ozzie"There are two ways of moving men, interest and fear" Napoleon
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blondie
[Just reporting not supporting]
1. Join another religion
2. Join a military organization
3. Celebrate a religious holiday(s) (performing an act of false worship)(see #1)
4. Work secularly for another religious organization (see #1)
5. Take a blood transfusion
6. And verbally or in writing declare oneself no longer partBelow is from the "Elders Book"
Implications of Disassociation
Whereas disfellowshipping is an action taken by a judi-
cial committee against unrepentant wrongdoers, disasso-
ciation is an action taken by an individual who has
decided that he no longer desires to be one of Jehovah's
Witnesses. ( 1 John 2:19)God's Word speaks of those who renounce the way of the
truth; they may do this either by written notice or by
action. (w81 9/15 p. 23)
If an individual takes a course contrary to the neutral
position of the Christian congregation, the congregation
is compelled to view him as one who has chosen to
separate from us. (Isa. 2:4;John 15:17-19)A brief announcement should be made to notify the
congregation that this individual, by his chosen course, no
longer desires to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. (The
Society should be notified using the S-77 and S-79 forms. )If a baptized person insists that he does not want to be
part of the congregation and requests that his name be
removed from all our records, we should comply with
his request.Since he takes such an adamant position, encourage him
to put his request in writing.If he refuses to do this but states resolutely before
witnesses his decision to disassociate himself and not be
known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, the witnesses to
his statement would be asked to put this in writing and
sign it.
In all cases of disassociation, a committee would consider the evidence regarding the matter.If the person has definitely terminated his status as a member of the congregation, the elders will make a brief announcement of his disassociation. (w86 10/15 p. 31 )
The Society should be notified using the S-77 and S-79 forms.He would be viewed as one who has disassociated himself.
It will not be necessary for a committee to continue the investigation into alleged wrongdoing if the accused person makes known his decision to disassociate himself.
(w84 7/1 p. 31 )However, the committee would prepare a summary of the
alleged offense(s) and the evidence of such.
This would be kept along with information regarding
the disassociation.If the person later requests reinstatement, these matters
would need to be considered with him at that time.
Those who disassociate themselves should be viewed and
treated the same as disfellowshipped persons. (w85 7/15
pp. 30-1)If one disassociates himself and later wants to return to the
congregation, he must request a hearing for reinstatement,
the same as one who has been disfellowshipped. -
philo
Cheers Blondie!
I wonder whether contributing to 'apostate message boards' or other religion's message boards could be a DA offense, on the grounds that it was somehow an act of false worship - sounds a stretch. They would probably go for the DF had you written something challenging to the 'truth'.
Francoise,
Speaking of DAing. Is it still the policy of the JWs to disfellowship sisters who've been raped if they don't report screaming during the attack?
Good question. I don't have the resources to research this; anybody else?
you're right, there is no such word as 'piquey', but you got the meaning - i.e., resentful.
Belbab, what can I say? (((belbab)))
philo
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Amazing
DA is normally done by the individual, either by letter to the Elders, or where the Elders determine that the individual's actions show that he/she has disassociated themselves. This latter "determinative" method is now done as often as has been done by the "letter" method. If a JW leaves the organization and is found to have joined the military, another religion, or some organization not approved by the Society, they are considered to have DA'd themselves.
At times, in certain situations, where the Elders and/or the Society is concerned that an individual might sue them, they may use the DA tool as a pre-emptive means to discredit the individual before they can affect the opinion of the rest of the congregation. This, I believe, was done in my case where I was notified by the Watch Tower legal department that it was "determnined" I disassociated myself, though no spcefics were mentioned, and no allegations made. The Society carefully placed the responsibility on the local Elders for such a "determination." This way, were I to have filed a civil action, it would be the local Elders who would have been at center stage of any complaint, and not the Society - or so the Society may have hoped. - Amazing
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gsark
<"Is it still the policy of the JWs to disfellowship sisters who've been raped if they don't report screaming during the attack">
WT 1-15-64 scream
WT 6-1-68 scream
Aid to Bible Understanding, 1969, 1971 don't scream
Awake! 3-8-74 scream
Awake! 7-8-80 don't scream
WT 10-15-80 scream
WT 3-15-83 don't scream
Awake! 2-22-84 scream
Awake! 6-8-84 don't scream and scream
Awake! 5-22-86 scream
Insight on the Scriptures, 1988 don't scream
Awake! 3-8-93 don't scream
WT 12-15-98 screamThat's the last I have on the subject.
Could be a DA matter for all we know!
Nah, it involves women...it will be df'ing.
Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!