WTS quotes "The Guardian"

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  • undercover
    undercover

    http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2004/6/22/article_01.htm

    As most of us know, it was The Guardian newspaper that printed the leak of the WTS being registered as an NGO of the UN. Then after the leak the paper printed a scathing editiorial on the WTS being hypocrits.

    Well, on the official WTS site the article "Is It Unscientific to Believe in God" quotes The Guardian newspaper:

    Understandably, in countries where a more secular spirit prevails, such as those in Europe, the ratio is lower. Yet, the British newspaper The Guardian reported that "the level of belief is highest among practitioners of the hard sciences, such as physics and geology, lower for the soft sciences, such as anthropology." It added: "The UK has organisations such as Christians in Science." The paper also noted that in Great Britain "church attendance among science students is proportionally much higher than for the arts."

    So if anyone has shown The Guardian articles regarding the UN/WTS connection to a JW just to have them pooh-pooh the newpaper as un-reliable, now you can show them that the WTS considers them reliable enough to quote.

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    Yeah, , my buddy at Bethel told me that the Guardian was a totally "spurious" source and was "anti-Witness".

    Now they quote them...

    Just like the UN debacle...

    u/d

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    They just pick and choose as it suits them, or perhaps the writing staff don't know what everyone else is writing, and they keep contradicting each other.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    Thanks for that interesting little tidbit! I added it to my web site.

  • Dragonlady76
    Dragonlady76

    Undercover that's to funny!

    DL76

  • Fe2O3Girl
    Fe2O3Girl

    Here is the original article -

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,542150,00.html

    Science in search of God

    Denis Alexander
    Saturday August 25, 2001
    The Guardian
    When I worked at the American University Hospital, in West Beirut, during the Lebanese civil war, shells often whizzed over our heads. Minutes later, a salvo would be returned in the opposite direction, and the first casualties would be rushed into emergency. We usually had no idea why the shelling had started, nor why it stopped.

    Being a Christian in the scientific community is somewhat analogous. Now and again, some Texan creationist lobby will make a fresh attempt to ban the teaching of evolution in schools. Amid scientific howls of protest, Professor X writes another book claiming that science supports an atheistic worldview. As the shells are lobbed between the extremist camps, the public impression that science and religion are at loggerheads is reinforced.

    Meanwhile, the silent majority - those many scientists who hold to religious faith - look on in wonder. Generally, we are simply too busy to engage in such debates. In my case, however, I got so fed up with the antics of the extremists that I ended up writing a book - Rebuilding The Matrix: Science And Faith In The 21st Century (published this weekend).

    The fact of the matter is that when it comes to religious faith, scientific communities reflect the societies in which they are embedded - as for nearly a century, 40% of American scientists believe in a personal God who answers prayer. The level of belief is highest among practitioners of the hard sciences, such as physics and geology, lower for the soft sciences, such as anthropology. The UK has organisations such as Christians in Science, and UK church attendance among science students is proportionally much higher than for the arts. There appears to be a selection pressure operating here: people interested in science are more likely to become Christians, and/or Christians are more likely to study science than the arts.

    Those who have studied the history and philosophy of science will not find this surprising. Modern science was incubated in a theological womb, emerging in a form recognisable by today's scientists during the 16th and 17th centuries, an era when new ideas failed to flourish unless theologically validated. Many founders of today's scientific disciplines - Kepler, Galileo, Boyle, Ray, Newton, Priestley, Maxwell and Faraday - drew attention to fruitful interactions between their science and their faith.

    The idea that science and religion were historically always at loggerheads - the so-called conflict thesis - became popular during the late 19th century, but is no longer considered a valid, overarching model for the history of science-faith interactions.

    Contemporary affinities between science and faith no doubt also arise from the his torical framework of the three great monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Unlike their colleagues in the humanities, scientists remain firmly wedded to the idea that some things are right, whereas others are wrong. No scientist would sweat long hours in the laboratory for low pay unless they believed that their hard-earned results reflected a reality that was built into the properties of matter. The reality remains the same, irrespective of the language or cultural milieu in which it is described.

    Likewise, the monotheistic religions make truth-claims about history and human nature that can be assessed by a review of the evidence and rational discourse. In talking about scientific data one moment, and the evidence for Christian faith the next, there is no need to change one's mind-set.

    None of these explanations for the contemporary affinities between science and faith should be taken as justifying the use of science in arguments for, or against, religious belief. Attempts have often been made to utilise the prestige of scientific theories to prop up particular personal ideologies. Darwinian evolution has been used to justify capitalism, communism, racism, and a number of other "isms". This is an abuse of science; evolution is an excellent theory to explain the origins of biological diversity, but it has little or no religious significance - it can be placed equally well within an atheistic or theistic context.

    The big theories of science - like evolution and Big Bang cosmology - tend to become encrusted with all kinds of religious and scientific barnacles. But these should be scraped off to let the theories do what they are good at doing - and no more. For the Christian, God can bring about his intentions any way he chooses, and all that scientists can do is try to describe how he did it.

    For all its explanatory powers, science is very limited in the kind of questions that it can address well: how things work, problems amenable to quantification, and deriving general laws about the properties of matter. But many types of human knowledge do not make their way into scientific journals - such as aesthetics, ethics, history, political theory and ultimate questions ("Is there a God?", "Does life have any meaning?"). Scientists are as interested in them as anyone else. But they do not comprise part of their science.

    Science continually throws up questions it is unable to answer: ethical questions, questions about the application of science, questions about human identity. Christian theism provides a matrix which affirms the validity of scientific knowledge, while undergirding human values at a time when scientific discoveries for many people may appear threatening and dehumanising.

    Dr Denis Alexander is chairman of the molecular immunology programme at the Babraham Institute, and a fellow of St Edmund's College, Cambridge. He edits the journal Science and Christian Belief.

  • diamondblue1974
    diamondblue1974

    Typical WTS back tracking...

  • potleg
    potleg

    Typical WT tactic accept what the like, Reject what they don't. But when have they EVER been constant in their beliefs?

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