How Does the Governing Body Extend its Control Over the Many Organizations?

by frankiespeakin 57 Replies latest jw friends

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    JT,

    will tell you as i told my own folks, What you do with this info is up to you, but do me a favor

    print out this thread, put it into an envelope, date it and in 5-10yr from day when you do the needed research to understand this org and how it works you will say:
    "Damn that jace mentioned something along these lines to me back in 2005"

    I'll save this for future reference (smile). Don't get me wrong I enjoy reading your post, it is just that sometimes they sound a little too opinionated.

  • JT
    JT

    just a side point on specualating on high ranking members of bethel trying a coup-

    ray franz left the org in the late 70's and during that time not one High ranking member of the org has left- we do have some CO and we had a DO who left the org, but short of that in over 20yrs, not one bethel heavy has traded his cushy job at bethel for a real job on the outside, to speak against the org

    and the likely hood is there will not be any mass exodus either- it would be great and good to see, but for many of those men they say how ray franz and dunlap were dragged across the coals and they learned a valuable lesson KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT

    i was told that so many times when i was starting to examine the org, i was told

    man if i were you i would leave it alone, don't ask me that question you don't want to go there, etc

    what makes my exp nothing special at all is the fact that other bro who had any access to org matters were treated the exact same way when they started to question things on a higher level within the org

    and this my friends is what happens to anyone regardless of what your title is will be treated, from a publisher, to someone who writes the Questions from Readers in the wt-

    every jw knows that if they cross that line they will be dealt with

    as one poster put it best, the wt rules with FEAR and that is at any and all levels
    Q

  • JT
    JT

    it is just that sometimes they sound a little too opinionated.

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    my dear friend that is all i can give you and that is what my opinion is,

    i can't give you anything else-

    the question is --is the opinion based on fact or fiction and that is a call you will have to make- smile

    but all i can say is -----all my family and wife's family are out and life has never been better for all of us

    we fully understand that we wasted years working for an American Book Publishing company masquarading around as the very Mouth Pc of God on earth

    today we are glad and thankful that we reaize that was a lie- smile

    glad to no longer be apart of the Hoodwinked and Bamboozled Crowd

  • JT
    JT

    frankispeaking says in his bio 29 years a WT slave and in the begining I was pretty pissed off about it. My real age is born 1953. I used 10/2/1914 for my date of birth to draw attention to how many years have past of that generation. My feeling of anger at the WT or anyone that has wronged me in anyway, has slowly subsided. Because what is,,is as it should be,,I should have known better,,I wasn't that careful and I paid the price, everything is as it should be. And that's that. But if I have oportunity to really kick the WT's ass,, I will take it. Not that I want revenge mind you,,well may be just a little,,,ahh who knows it is so hard to be honest with even one's self. I think I'm going to study up on Shamanism I seem to be headed that way caused by the crisis that the Governing Body put me thru by having me disfellowshipped and shunned 5 months after my mothers death. ########## your life exp is deep and now i have a much better perspective of your views and thoughts, folks it is good to have a bio for it provides each one of us with a little insight into the life exp of the person we are talking to thanks frankiespeaking for taking the time to share your DEEP li exp i will say it again as i have said for 8yrs on the net, it matters not what position we served in inthe wt,all of us have a story to tell and it should be told- some will say my life was not as exciting as so and so in the org, well i believe we all had lives that were impacted by wt one way or another- and we need to tell that story, and what ones begins to see very clearly is that all of these folks with different backgrounds were all impacted due to wt dogmas that impacted their lives once again i am glad i read frankispeaking bio, i give me a fresh perspective of his life and life exp thanks guy

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    JT,

    I think we all have something to contribute to the common cause that brought us to this forum. We all have different perspectives, that may clash at times, we all feel strongly about certain things, I think our hashing them out, even if heated or animated does some theraputic good, and often may brings to light some very novel ideas or seeds of novel idea that can prove to be very deadly to the structure of control imposed by the WT org.

  • JT
    JT

    think we all have something to contribute to the common cause that brought us to this forum. We all have different perspectives, that may clash at times, we all feel strongly about certain things, I think our hashing them out, even if heated or animated does some theraputic good, and often may brings to light some very novel ideas or seeds of novel idea that can prove to be very deadly to the structure of control imposed by the WT org.

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    abosolutely no question about, it, i have found that in some countries the wt rope of control varies from tight enough to cut off your air, to loose enough to allow you to breath

    jw who come from congo with educated elders find that going to college was more tempered, in fact many often make the comment that after meeting parts elders have been know to express views privately that are different from the org,

    while at the same time if one comes from a congo where the avg age of the elders is less than high school, the veiws on college are even stronger than wt, so as i tell folks not only does the avg jw have the views of the wt imposed on them, but all too often they then have the views of the local elders impose on them as if those views are the will of god

    case in point, on DO would not allow any bro on the circiut assembly without a White shirt-

    so at the assembly hall they kept a collection of white shirts

    after awhile this foolishness worked its way to the some halls, after folks started to complain to bethel they pulled his chain

    it is such foolishness that impacts the lives of jw daily, between wt goofy rules and some local elder/co rules, the life of a jw is one of constant having to conform to be considered a good mature christian how sad

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  • LUKEWARM
    LUKEWARM

    Fascinating comments on this thread by JT...

    JT said:

    let me explain to you how it works, when the wt created the new corps on , they announced at the annual meeting who the officers were and the board of directors were of each corp,

    WHO DO YOU THINK HAND PICKED BOTH THE OFFICERS AND BOARD OF DIRECTORS???

    IN ORDER to accomplish what you are talking bout would require a tremendous amount of collusion- and consider, none of them can access the money, of the org- so which would appeal to them more\

    you got the president of one of the corp who tries to convince a VP to join him in trying to take over, now they need the agreement of all the officers and the board-now as aVP which would be easier and more rewarding- one try to stage a coup or walk down the hall and tell the GB that frank is trying to over take the Kiingdom Farm corp?

    and then next week Frank is back in NC with no job, and dfed no friends or help and you are promoted to President of Kingdom farm due to your loyalty for jah and his earthly org and next week you and your wife are sent to Japan, Korea and Hawaii to chk up on the branches for 4 weeks and to give 4 talks and lots and lots of Green handshakes

    now you tell me which is more likely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    JT said:

    let me break it down for you, how long have you been a jw? how many resolutions have you seen where 1% of the congregation voted differently than the elders

    you need to understand and i asked my fellow elder who is a voting member how the votes go down

    500 to 0 for all officers every year since he has been voting and he has been voting since the 70's

    can you imagine what would happen to 10 CO 7 DO and 3 Branch members who voted differently in oct-they would be reassigned back to the reg pioneer work in Novemvber, which means after 30+yrs of being taken care of by the org, they now got to get a JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    so what do you think is the likely hood of some revolt at that level in the org, when every single man who is voting is dependant on staying in the goood graces of the very men they must vote for thru the USA legal system of corp structure
  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Damn. I miss JT. He was in college and ran an IT business in DC the last time I spoke with him One of the neatest, funniest and nicest guys one could ever know.

    Farkel

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