Qcmbr
Well I think you've just proved to me why you lot should never ever be in charge of kids sexual education.You are so blinded by your desire to justify yourselves that you wish to spread your kind of knowledge by utter garbage arguements.
Qcmbr, you are the one with garbage arguments. Your arguments have no facts to back them up. You might notice other people here are backing up their arguments with facts. You are so blinded by your desire to justify yourself you will insist you are right even if you have no evidence to support your claim, and even claim you are right if there is evidence contradicting your claim.
Such ideas that abstinence teaching leads to sexual behaviour is just ridiculous.
Unfortunately the facts, as in the statistics quoted, show that the idea is not ridiculous. It is a fact with evidnece behind it. You might not like it, but it is still a fact.
I can give you over 100 young people of whom I am personally aquainted who have practised abstinence until marriage and managed to do it without giving each other sexual favours.
This means nothing. It is anecdotal evidence, even if you are right. However, you assume that they would tell you, which is a false assumption on your part. For example, no JW will willingly admit to pre-martital sex. But some JW's have pre-martial sex.
Of those a handful made mistakes at which point my community (that you so obviously disdain)
Qcmbr, could you please try not to be such a hypocrite? You have disdain for modern society and are two-faced enough to complain about your own behaviour if you think others apply it to you.
several left school to be parents - single parents, several turned to drugs and ruined their education (can only hope they made it over that blip),
And as it suits your argument you fail to mention the majority of your school friends are probably in good realtionships with their partners (even if its not their first partner) and have good realtionships with their kids, pretty good incomes, and are quite happy with life.
one went on to create such shows as Big Brother (that moral beacon!)
Judge judge judge judge judge judge. Read the book of James lately? Oh, and unless he's Dutch and works for Endemon Productions, I doubt if he created Big Brother; it's a Dutch concept.
Sorry guys but you really are bonkers - a feeling that you undoubtbly attribute to me -my bonkers though ends up promoting families, sexual health, integrity and true choice while the opposite ,'try this but stick this on your willy approach' is just as dangerous as it gets.
Qcmbr, you might want to deny the facts, but the facts are there. To repeat; a country with (in comparison to the UK) a far more liberal attitude towards sex, early, comprehensive sex education, free access to contraception and abortion AND decriminalised cannabis has (in comparison to the UK)
A higher age of first sexual intercourse
A 5 x lower rate of teen pregnancy
A lower rate of teen STD infection
A lower percentage of cannabis users
... so all your contentions about liberal attitudes in such areas are disproved.
You can ignore the facts, but that doesn't stop them being facts.
You'll soon find you run out of arguements to stop things even you find extreme because your arguements will be used against you.
How can 'do what thou wilt but do no harm' and 'respect the freedom of others as long as their claimed freedoms do not infringe on the freedom of others' be used against me?
In the meantime you'll I hope you wont be pleased by the decline in: traditional families,
Like an unhappy marriage where the woman can be beaten by a man who keeps a mistress or visits child prostitutes? That was fairly traditonal for a Victorian family; or did the massive numbers of child prostitutes in Victorian London only sleep with atheists? Your traditonal family never existed, it's just a right-wing fantasy set in a Utopian 1950 that never was.
innocence of our youth,
I see education as more improtant for youth than ignorance. Keep your kids 'innocent' if you like. They'll just pick up bad info from the school yard and thus be put at risk.
the value and cherishing of the married state
No, you mean YOUR definiton of the married states and YOUR claimed right to deny others the same state. All about you, isn't it?
increases in: abortion, stds, the spread of aids,
As I have proved, it is early comprehensive sex education that can reduce these
prostitution,
Overall, levels of prostitution in the UK are lower than periods you would cite as being examples of periods when the 'traditonal family' held sway. This is another example of your argument being based on fantasy, not fact.
the now $50 billion porn industry
Qcmbr, you owe the Internet to the Porn industry. What is wrong with it anyway? Please try to use the Bible to back your opinion up.
Hedonism which is the ntural fruit of sexual liberlism and the removal of religious / societal barriers comes at a high cost surely you can see that!.
Religious/societal barriers have a high cost in themselves, namely the loss of freedom to lawful people who do not agree with the commonly accepted religious/societal barriers.
Of those who will flame me to death for standing up for this how many of you actually have kids and worry about them in this scenario?
I have kids and I am glad they will be taught what they need to protect them from the world, not what my beliefs make me feel is appropriate for them to learn or think. And you are standing up for your own unfounded opinions. You are wrong about something, have been shown by facts to be wrong about something, but still insist you are right. Standing up in a situation like that is not something to be proud of. You're not standing up for anything you can prove right, just for your own opinion.
