Please help me help a friend, quickly

by wonderwhy 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • wonderwhy
    wonderwhy

    Hi everyone,

    I have a friend who is a jw as is her husband. She is stuck in a marriage with a man whom I believe has major mental problems and he is visciously abusive to her emotionally. On two occasions he became physically violent with her as in he grabbed her and pinned her while he was yelling at her. He constantly degrades her, cuts her down and makes her feel worthless. She is hesitant to tell anyone, and I've begged her to do this. SHe had mentioned speaking with elders at her kingdom hall, but then she said even if she does, she needs witnesses to her husbands actions. This is impossible, because he doesn't act this way in front of others, and it's not like she calls people over to the house to document his tirades. What can I do to help her? I know if I call her hall and talk to elders it may cause more problems than I am aware of, given I'm not a witness, I'm sure somethine would go wrong and effect her negativly if I were to do that. Does anyone have any advice as to how to help her. She is being verbally and emotionally torn apart every day by her husband and it's killing me because I can't do anything. Thank you in advance.

  • happyout
    happyout

    Hi,

    I'm sorry your friend is having such a rough time. If she can call 911 in the midst of one of his tirades, it's likely it will be recorded, and that can serve as proof. Or, she can set up a kind of "nanny cam" that will show what she is going through.

    Or she can do the smart thing and just leave, regardless of what anyone else says or thinks. In these situations, it's impossible to tell what will push him over the brink to seriously harm her, and it could cost her her life. Help her get out!!

    Happyout - not happy right now

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    You'll get more experienced answers than mine, so if any disagree with me, they're probably right.

    That said, I would encourage her to talk to the elders anyway. The "no witnesses" thing is a cop-out, she just doesn't want to get him in trouble, which of course could lead to her getting into more trouble with him. But if she does go to the elders, it will force his hand. He'll either have to straighten up, or continue and risk losing her. (JW's believe that while divorce over abuse is not proper, it is ok to separate under those circumstances.)

    If nothing else, it would put him on notice that she isn't going to simply take it, she's going to do something. If she'll go to elders, maybe she'll go to the police? Or a divorce lawyer? As long as she isn't doing anything, he's safe to do as he pleases. Once she does SOMETHING, he's out of that safety zone.

    You're a good friend for trying to help.

    Dave

  • adelmaal
    adelmaal

    It's really hard to see someone you love being treated so badly It's even harder to help someone who seems unwilling to help herself... The bottom line is you need to convince her that she needs help.

    I would probably tell her she's got to separate herself from the situation now before it becomes to big for her to handle. Seeing a therapist by herself might help her to get some clarity on things if she is unwilling to see that his treatment of her is not only detrimental to her mentally but potentially physically. He's got to know that losing her is what he will face if he does not seek professional help and make changes. She's got to know that she cannot put up with abuse. She really needs to call the police when he does something physical so there is a paper trail of it and so he has consequences for his actions. Otherwise, he will not see the seriousness of his actions and a need for change.

    IMO, the elders aren't going to be of much help due to the whole 2 witnesses thing and even if she does go to them they are not properly trained to offer her the help she really needs to get out of an abusive relationship. So I would try to convince her that she really needs to seek outside help. Her husband needs to see that what he is doing is serious. Otherwise, he will not see a need to change and it will only get worse. The longer she puts up with it the more she will accept it as normal and the worse it will get, which I imagine you already know...

  • tijkmo
    tijkmo

    this article may help your friend..but if she goes to elders get her to make absolutely sure she has one she can trust and to go initially with the idea that she wants help and not just wants away..the elders will quickly see any unreasonableness on the part of the husband and may well then unofficially reccomend she takes the nessercary action.and all you can do is be there for her whatever her decision is

    When Marital Peace Is Threatened

    "A wife should not depart from her husband; . . . and a husband should not leave his wife."?1 CORINTHIANS 7:10, 11.

    JEHOVAH GOD united the first human pair in wedlock and purposed that this one-flesh bond should last. It was to be a blessed union that would result in their happiness and in the producing of righteous offspring, all to God?s glory.?Genesis 1:27, 28; 2:24.

    2

    That ideal marital arrangement was disrupted by independent thinking and sin. (Genesis 3:1-19; Romans 5:12) In fact, a spirit of independence is one of the factors that leads to the severing of marital ties today. Thus, in the United States during 1985, there were 5 divorces?compared with 10.2 marriages?per 1,000 people. In 1986 a report from Moscow indicated that only 37 percent of the marriages in the Soviet Union last three years and that 70 percent end within a decade.

    3

    A spirit of independence can cause marital strife. It also inhibits spiritual development, for "the fruit of righteousness has its seed sown under peaceful conditions." (James 3:18) But who is the main peace-wrecker? Satan. And how sad it is when any of God?s servants "allow place for the Devil" and thus fail to enjoy homes of rest and peace!?Ephesians 4:26, 27.

    4

    When Christian mates view separation as the only solution to their marital problems, they are in danger of succumbing to Satan?s devices, and there is something seriously wrong spiritually. (2 Corinthians 2:11) God?s principles are not being applied fully by one or both of them. (Proverbs 3:1-6) So they should promptly make prayerful efforts to resolve their differences. If these seem irreconcilable, congregation elders can be consulted. (Matthew 18:15-17) Although these men are not authorized to tell fellow believers exactly what to do about their marital problems, they can direct attention to what the Scriptures say.?Galatians 6:5.

    5

    If the marital situation is so bad that the Christian couple is even considering divorce, the elders can point out that divorce and remarriage are Scripturally acceptable only if one?s mate has committed "fornication." This term covers adultery and other forms of immoral sexual relations and perversions. (Matthew 19:9; Romans 7:2, 3; see The Watchtower, March 15, 1983, page 31.) Yet, what if "fornication" has not been committed but marital peace is seriously threatened? What do the Scriptures say about legal or de facto separation?

    Paul?s

    Inspired Counsel

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    In an effort to help a Christian couple whose marriage ties are threatened, the elders can direct attention to the apostle Paul?s words: "To the married people I give instructions, yet not I but the Lord, that a wife should not depart from her husband; but if she should actually depart, let her remain unmarried or else make up again with her husband; and a husband should not leave his wife." (1 Corinthians 7:10, 11) Christian mates should be able to settle their problems, making allowances for human imperfection. No problem should be so great that it cannot be resolved by praying earnestly, applying Bible principles, and showing the love that is a fruit of God?s spirit.?Galatians 5:22; 1 Corinthians 13:4-8.

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    But what if Christian mates do separate? They must "remain unmarried or else make up again." Unless it is a question of divorce obtained on the grounds of "fornication," neither of them is Scripturally free to remarry. In view of this and the "prevalence of fornication," it would be good for them to "make up again" without delay. (1 Corinthians 7:1, 2) It is not the business of the elders to demand that the man and the woman end their separation, but they may not qualify for certain service privileges because of their marital problems. For instance, if a man "does not know how to preside over his own household," he evidently lacks the ability to "take care of God?s congregation" as an overseer.?1 Timothy 3:1-5, 12.

    8

    Stress is laid on preserving a marriage even if only one mate is a believer. Paul wrote: "If any brother has an unbelieving wife, and yet she is agreeable to dwelling with him, let him not leave her; and a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and yet he is agreeable to dwelling with her, let her not leave her husband. . . . But if the unbelieving one proceeds to depart, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not in servitude under such circumstances, but God has called you to peace. For, wife, how do you know but that you will save your husband? Or, husband, how do you know but that you will save your wife?" (1 Corinthians 7:12-16) If the unbeliever chooses to depart, the Christian will let him go. But the believer, hoping that the unbeliever may be won over to Christianity, will not initiate the breakup. Timothy?s mother, Eunice, apparently stayed with her unbelieving husband but imparted spiritual instruction to her son.?2 Timothy 1:5; 3:14, 15.

    Grounds

    for Separation

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    Paul?s words at 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 encourage marriage mates to stay together. Yet, some, after trying very hard to preserve their marriage relationship, have finally decided that, in all conscience, they have no choice but to separate. What may be the grounds for such a step?

    10

    Willful nonsupport is one basis for separation. When entering wedlock, a husband assumes the responsibility of providing for his wife and any children they may have. The man who does not provide for members of his household "has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith." (1 Timothy 5:8) So separation is possible if there is willful nonsupport. Of course, appointed elders should give careful consideration to an accusation that a Christian is refusing to support his wife and family. Stubborn refusal to support one?s family may result in disfellowshipping.

    11

    Extreme physical abuse is another basis for separation. Suppose an unbelieving mate often gets drunk, becomes enraged, and causes the believer physical harm. (Proverbs 23:29-35) Through prayer and by displaying the fruitage of Jehovah?s spirit, the believer may be able to prevent such outbursts and make the situation endurable. But if the point is reached where the health and life of the abused mate actually are in jeopardy, separation would be allowable Scripturally. Again, congregation elders should look into charges of physical abuse when two Christians are involved in the troubled marriage, and disfellowshipping action may have to be taken.?Compare Galatians 5:19-21; Titus 1:7.

    12

    Absolute endangerment of spirituality also provides a basis for separation. The believer in a religiously divided home should do everything possible to take advantage of God?s spiritual provisions. But separation is allowable if an unbelieving mate?s opposition (perhaps including physical restraint) makes it genuinely impossible to pursue true worship and actually imperils the believer?s spirituality. Yet, what if a very unhealthy spiritual state exists where both mates are believers? The elders should render assistance, but especially should the baptized husband work diligently to remedy the situation. Of course, if a baptized marriage partner acts like an apostate and tries to prevent his mate from serving Jehovah, the elders should handle matters according to the Scriptures. If disfellowshipping takes place in a case involving absolute endangerment of spirituality, willful nonsupport, or extreme physical abuse, the faithful Christian who seeks a legal separation would not be going against Paul?s counsel about taking a believer to court.?1 Corinthians 6:1-8.

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    If circumstances are extreme, then, separation may be warranted. But flimsy pretexts obviously should not be used to obtain a separation. Any Christians who do separate must bear personal responsibility for that action and should realize that all of us will render an account to Jehovah.?Hebrews 4:13.

    A

    Wise Step?

    14

    Prayerful thought should be given to problems that separation is likely to create. For instance, a one-parent family seldom provides what two-parent families can in balance and discipline. And separation may have an impact on children similar to that of divorce, regarding which the journal India Today reported: "Sheena, with large eyes that seem to take in the whole world, is six. Her parents divorced two years ago after an ugly court battle. Soon after, her father married another woman. For a year she got bad attacks of asthma and constantly sucks her thumb. She lives with her mother in South Delhi. The mother: ?My sadness has travelled to Sheena. . . . She misses her father. . . . She is more mature than most children her age. But she has these uncontrollable bouts of crying, as if she wants to take out something from within her. School was a problem. Children can be so cruel. Often, she retreats into a world of make-believe: she makes up a story about all of us going out together for her friends.?"

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    Often, separation does not work out well for a Christian husband and wife either. They soon learn that without a mate or the children there is a gnawing void. Not to be ignored are the pressures resulting from separation. Will it be possible to care for matters from a financial standpoint or otherwise? And what if the strain of separation results in a fall into immorality? Jesus said: "Wisdom is proved righteous by its works." (Matthew 11:19) Especially when both mates are Christians, what is worked out through separation has sometimes proved to be very unwise.

    Work

    to Resolve Problems

    16

    Christian mates who find their marital peace seriously threatened should discuss their differences in a manner befitting those who serve God. And they surely ought to make allowances for imperfection. (Philippians 2:1-4) But what else can be done?

    17

    Displaying wisdom in connection with material things can contribute to marital peace. To illustrate: After considering his wife?s negative viewpoint, a man may decide, nevertheless, that it is wise for his family to move elsewhere. This may seem advisable for economic reasons, but it may also enable the family to advance Kingdom interests by serving where the need is greater. (Matthew 6:33) His Christian wife may not favor the move because she would be leaving behind her parents or familiar surroundings. But she will be wise to cooperate fully with her husband, who is the head of the household and has the responsibility of determining where his family will live. Moreover, her submissiveness and loving cooperation will contribute to domestic peace.?Ephesians 5:21-24.

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    Family peace flourishes and problems seem less serious when marriage partners do things together. For example, Christian mates have splendid opportunities to work with each other in the field ministry. If they do this regularly and take their children with them, the entire family will benefit. There may also be various opportunities to strengthen the marriage bond by sharing in other wholesome activities especially enjoyed by one mate or the other.

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    Properly exercised headship will strengthen marital ties. Of course, the mature Christian husband will not be a dictator. Rather, ?he will keep on loving his wife and will not be bitterly angry with her.? Jehovah expects him to exercise loving headship. (Colossians 3:18, 19) In turn, such headship promotes family peace.

    In

    Divided Households

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    Being reasonable aids in resolving marital problems between Christian mates. (Philippians 4:5) But reasonableness is also important if peace is threatened in a religiously divided household. If an unbelieving husband tries to prevent his Christian wife from serving Jehovah, she may endeavor to reason with him, tactfully pointing out that she accords him religious freedom and she should logically receive similar treatment. (Matthew 7:12) Though she is to be in relative subjection to her unbelieving husband, God?s will must be done where there is a conflict. (1 Corinthians 11:3; Acts 5:29) Surely, attending Christian meetings three times a week is not excessive. But the believing wife may find it wise to be at home on other evenings and to schedule much of her field ministry during hours when her husband is working and the children are in school. With reasonableness and good planning, she need not "give up in doing what is fine."?Galatians 6:9.

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    Reasonableness extends to other matters too. For example, a person has a right to practice a certain religion. But it would be reasonable and wise for a Christian wife not to place her Bibles and Bible study aids where a strongly opposed husband might object. Conflict may be avoided if such publications are kept among her personal effects and she studies them privately. Of course, she must not compromise on righteous principles.?Matthew 10:16.

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    If disruption of domestic peace centers on religious instruction of the children, the believing wife can tactfully arrange to have them accompany her to meetings and in the field ministry. But if the unbelieving husband and father prevents this, she can teach the children Bible principles so that when they grow up and leave home, they are likely to pursue true worship. If the husband is the believer, as the head of the household, he has the Scriptural obligation to raise his children as Christians. So he should study the Bible with them, take them to meetings, and teach them in the field ministry. (Ephesians 6:4) Naturally, he should be kind, loving, and reasonable in dealing with his unbelieving wife.

    Maintain

    Peace as a United Family

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    Since marriage partners are "one flesh," they should live together in peace according to God?s arrangement for married people, especially if both mates are Christians. (Matthew 19:5; 1 Corinthians 7:3-5) But if marital peace is threatened in your case, prayerfully review the foregoing Scriptural points. It may also be helpful to think back to the time of your courtship. How hard both of you tried to do what was right and lay the basis for a happy union! Will you now make similar efforts to hold your marriage together?

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    Christians united in wedlock have a wonderful gift from God?their marriage! If you live up to your marital vows and maintain integrity to Jehovah, before you is the righteous new world in which heartrending separation and divorce no longer will plague mankind. So show gratitude for wedlock as a figurative "threefold cord," with Jehovah as a vital part of it. (Ecclesiastes 4:12) And may all members of your united household enjoy the blessing of family happiness in a home of rest and peace.

  • wonderwhy
    wonderwhy

    Oh my goodness!! Thank you so much for replying! I never expected this so fast. She and I have been discussing her leaving, and yes, she is afraid of making him look bad, which blew me away, because I couldn't understand her reasoning. She is the one being treated badly. I am going to print these replys and give them to her. Thank you again for replying. All of you are very helpful people. Thank you

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    It might be best to paraphrase the replies yourself rather than print them. Since this is a site for ex-Jehovah's Witnesses, she might be uncomfortable getting any advice from us. She would consider us "apostates" working for Satan. There isn't much you can do to change her mind on that one, so better to not let the issue come up.

    Take care,

    Dave

  • wonderwhy
    wonderwhy

    Oh yeah I forgot about that part of the equation. Thanks, Dave. I do know that is part of her troubles, being a witness. She has to make sure it's something her fellow witnesess approve of before she does anything. If she could talk to somebody outside of all of that, she would be able to see so much more. I have found her life is actually very isolated, which adds to the problem. All of her talk about her wonderful "family" and "brothers and sisters" and all of the love they have for each other doesn't really count for much if she has to watch what she can talk about with them. I will take your advice and paraphrase. Thank you again.

  • tweety
    tweety

    I am very sensitive to this matter. So please excuse me if I sound angry.

    This exact thing happen to me with my 2nd husband, who by the way was an elder in the congregation. (Except he was beating me)

    After going throught the local elders, calling my brother (who was an elder in another state), I contacted the HQ- Headquarters

    of New York City and reported the incident to them.

    When you contact the HQ, you need to tell the operator who takes the call to be connected to an elder.

    The elder will ask you specific questions. Do not tell him that you are NOT a JW. Just explain that you would like to stay

    anonymous.

    The congregation will be notified of this incident and the local elders WILL HAVE to take action. (Because you reported to HQ)

    Trust me! The outcome will not pretty for the husband!

    Dee

    PS: My husband continued to hit me after they removed him from being an elder. So I took things into my own hands and beat the shit of him with a peice of wood. I told him, 'don't you ever hit me again, or don't go to sleep at nights.' He left that night and I never stepped foot into a kingdom hall since.

  • wonderwhy
    wonderwhy

    Thank you Dee. I know if I were to tell any of them that I'm not a witness I would immediatly be shot down and not be able to say anything. Actually, I often wonder why my friend tells me these personal things that go on with her, as she knows I'm not a witness. I did study with her for awhile, but drifted off from it after I read up on it on my own and discovered how bizarre everything about them is, but our friendship continues. She is a good friend and person, even though her thinking is a tad warped from all of the witness junk that is stuck in her mind. I'm glad you got out of your situation safely, Dee.

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