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  • Robert K Stock
    Robert K Stock

    There are a lot of "spiritual cousins" of Jehovah's Witnesses. Herbert W. Armstrong was ordained a minister by the Church of God Seventh Day. A group that had its origins in the the Second Adventist movement of William Miller. When 1844 came and Jesus did not many Millerites set up their own churches.

    Second Adventist Ellen White began to share her "visions" founding what would be known as Seventh Day Adventists. An old yankee sea captain named Joseph Bates said Ellen White was nuts and founded what would be the Church of God Seventh Day. (Both White and Bates picked up the Saturday Sabbath from a small group of New England Baptists.)

    One of the major influences on Charles Russell was an old Millerite named George Storrs, who helped found two groups, the Adventist Christian Church and the Life and Advent Union.

    From the Seventh Day Adventists we have the Branch Davidians of Waco infamy.

    The various Assemblies of Yahweh, Black Nationalist and White British Israelite factions, also trace their origins to the splintering of the the adventist movement.

    There are a myriad of churches that share the same basic recipe as Jehovah's Witnesses. It is not that they studied with the Witnesses or had ever been part of the Watchtower. The common denominator is William Miller's Second Adventists. From Miller these groups have developed their own little quirks but all share the same nonsense about being "The Truth" "God's Kingdom is no part of the World" "Unquestioned Loyalty To God's Earthly Channel" and that "The Whole World Is Ensnared By Satan"

  • talesin
    talesin

    Doctrine is not the only thing this church has in common with the JWs. When I was a kid, my grandfather used to listen to the broadcast of this church every night. It was called `Garner Ted Armstrong and the World Tomorrow`. He was Herbert`s son, and was disfellowshipped from the WCCG in 1972 because of his sexual misconduct with young women.

    Excerpt from a history of WWCG:

    GTA was disfellowshipped from the Worldwide Church of God in 1972 for "sexual sins; however HWA told the members that his son had "emotional problems." He was later reinstated. GTA's sexual infidelities were never admitted publicly by HWA, but repeatedly covered this up. Then in 1974 it became known to the ministry that Garner Ted had been committing adultery with a large number of Ambassador college girls, coeds, baby-sitters, and other women. Eventually in 1978 GTA was permanently ousted, the reason being that Herbert Armstrong felt his son tried to turn the church into a "secular and worldly organization" while HWA was ill. GTA then founded the Church of God International in 1978.

    Garner Ted's bisexuality had been known by others for a long time. In William Hinson's The Broadway To Armageddon, Ken Westby says to GTA in a letter from 1974, "Testimony from a man who observed you propositioning a young fellow on the street in southern California." p.114. Also, Ambassador Report #61, 1996 claims Ted was involved in a sodomitic relationship as a young man, but his father, HWA, pulled him out of it.

    It was understood that GTA could pursue all the girls he wanted, but he was to shun same sex unions .

    Criminal charges were filed against GTA in 1995 (Texas) by Suerae Robertson (a licensed vocational nurse whom GTA had hired for massage therapy) and as a result of this, GTA resigned from Church of God International. The Exit & Support Network ? investigated and covered this GTA sexual assault lawsuit and has a 200+ investigative report report in our files on the lawsuit that was waged against GTA when he molested Suerae. GTA was videotaped unknowingly at the time. On 7-11-97 Suerae and her lawyer appeared on the Geraldo Rivera?s TV Show, "Sex, Crime and Videotape," concerning GTA's behavior. When Geraldo aired the video, it was testified that pictures of naked women were seen tattooed all over GTA's body. This and other depraved behavior by GTA was reported in an article in the New Times Los Angeles.

    I didn`t look further for more details, but was surprised to learn what I did.

    t

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    I remember being about 10 y/o or so and armstrong was preaching on tv one day about the evils of christmas and the time of the end and so on. I told my mom "look the witnesses are on tv" She was like "NOoooooooo! its the apostates change the channel"

  • Robert K Stock
    Robert K Stock

    talesin:

    Garner Ted Armstrong joined the Navy as an act of rebellion against his father. It may have been while in the navy that he was tatooed.

    GTA's brother David was being groomed to succeed Herbert as leader of the church but died and GTA was drafted.

    Herbert did admit that GTA was disfellowshipped for adultery. I do not have the material in my possesion now, but have read about this in Herberts' books or magazines. It has been so long ago I do not remember which.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Check this out (from, http://www.isitso.org/guide/fails.html ) :

    Personal from the Webauthor

    I first encountered Festinger's book and the theory of cognitive dissonance while taking a course in Social Psychology at Michigan State University in 1974. The book was required reading. At the time, I had been a member of the Worldwide Church of God (WCG) for several years. Founder Herbert Armstrong had bombastically led his supporters to accept the year 1972 as the deadline for The Church to be whisked to a "Place of Safety" prior to the Great Tribulation, which would be followed by Christ's Return in 1975. When this failed, a number of followers had become disillusioned and left the organization, but a large percentage had not. At the time, it did not occur to me to apply the information I was learning in the course to my own personal circumstances! But it surely did apply.

    In looking back and examining why I was not totally disillusioned by the disconfirmation in 1972, I can only conclude it was because my husband and I had already invested so much of our time, efforts, and financial resources in the organization. The level of discomfort and confusion at the single event of the disconfirmation was not high enough to off-set what we viewed as positive aspects of our involvement. These included our positive experiences in the organization; the level of doctrinal truth which we had thought we learned from the group and which we didn't believe was available elsewhere; and the many personal relationships which had been built with church members?which we knew would end if we were to leave the organization.

    This off-set was upset, however, in 1978. For details of the circumstances which led to our departure from the WCG, see our abbreviated biography elsewhere on this site. In summary, in that year there was a huge upheaval in the church leadership, with Herbert Armstrong disfellowshipping his own son Garner Ted, who had been the primary spokesman for the church on television and radio, and managing executive of most of its operations. When I saw confusion all around me, when I saw outright lies published by the church Headquarters, when I saw mountains of evidence of corruption and greed and profligate extravagance and distortion of the facts, I was unable to just gloss it over in order to resolve the dissonance and bring my mind into a peaceful state again. I had to have answers. And even though the answers were painful, I found facing them more tolerable than staying in ignorance, and having my mind in a state of perpetual cognitive dissonance.

    After our departure from the WCG?and later Garner Ted Armstrong's Church of God, International?I began my study of groups which had predicted The End or who had claimed an exclusive position as the only true expression of The Church on earth. And while studying the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Mormons, and the Seventh Day Adventists, I discovered they had all been subject to incredible inner turmoil from about 1970 on because of failed prophetic speculations and/or revelations about some of their cherished teachings and foibles of their founders and current leadership. The same sort of internal politics that I experienced in the WCG and CGI, that forced me out of those groups, were rampant in these other groups. And thus thousands upon thousands of folks ... including long-time ministers ... were also forced out of their groups. For if they had not, the presence of dissidents and their questions would have increased the level of cognitive dissonance present in the minds of those members who did not have immediate knowledge of the many issues. Thus the "disconfirmations" presented by dissidents within these groups not only did not lead to reformation or dissolution of the groups, but rather the proselyting of the groups increased greatly after the dissidents were removed.

    The following is an excerpt from an article on prophetic speculation titled Lions and Leopards and Bears?Oh MY! which I wrote in 1989. It gives further commentary and documentation on some of the points above. The full text of the article can be seen at:

    http://www.isitso.org/guide/llb1-3.html

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    "A thing that strikes one who browses around in the vast literature that has grown up about the book of Revelation is the UTTER DOGMATISM with which so many put forth their opinions, not as opinions, but in categorical statements, as to the meaning of the most mysterious passages, as if they know all about it, and their say so settles the matter. We think a spirit of reverent humility, and openness of mind, would be more becoming in those seeking to interpret a book like this." Henry Halley, Halley's Bible Handbook (24th ed., p.684)

    Wise counsel! Why has it been so widely ignored among modern commentators? I offer a possible answer: with a limited audience among which to garner supporters for evangelistic ministries, the most dogmatic teachers are often the most successful at gathering around themselves the most enthusiastic- and financially generous- followers. We live in confusing, troubling times. Sure answers to "what will happen next" give people a secure anchor in the stormy sea of life. In addition, being "in the know" about mysterious prophecies gives many people the heady feeling of being one of the "elite," an assurance that they are among "God's Chosen," which further strengthens their anchor.

    Amazingly, this desire for security is so strong that many teachers are even able to hedge their prophetic interpretations with "possiblies," "probablies," "maybe's"- and find that their followers filter out these words and hear only "thus sayeth the Lord." For example, for several years preceding 1975, the leaders of two major religious sects- Jehovah's Witnesses and the Worldwide Church of God- promulgated the concept that the year 1975 would be cataclysmic in some way. The STRONG suggestion was that it would bring the Battle of Armageddon and usher in the Millenium. In addition, the Worldwide Church emphasized that the evangelistic work of that church would end in 1972, when the "Great Tribulation" (which was to last 3 1/2 years by their calculations) would begin and their members would be miraculously taken to a "place of safety" to await the Second Coming.

    Numerous articles and booklets were published by both groups about these events, complete with detailed chronological charts and sometimes gruesome line drawings of the coming horrors. The Worldwide Church even published a booklet in the 1960's titled "1975 in Prophecy" which covered the prophecies regarding the "Great Tribulation" and the Battle of Armageddon. Of course, when 1975 came and went with no great cataclysm, the Worldwide leadership denied the title was ever meant to be taken as a "specific" prophecy. They claimed the title date was merely chosen as a "literary device," in response to a popular article in a secular publication which spoke glowingly of man's technological advances predicted for 1975. This was news to most of the members, who also remembered many sermons and articles and prophetic charts that all pointed to that date!

    The same confusion reigned among Jehovah's Witnesses. In the October 8, 1968, issue of their publication AWAKE , appear the following quotes:

    According to reliable Bible chronology, Adam and Eve were created in 4026 B.C.E. ... This would leave only seven more years from the autumn of 1968 to complete 6,000 full years of human history. That seven year period will evidently finish in the autumn of the year 1975...

    How fitting it would be for God, following this pattern, to end man's misery after 6,000 years of human rule and follow it with His glorious Kingdom rule for a thousand years! (from a photo-duplicate reproduced in Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses Who Love the Truth by William Cetnar, p. 36)

    The lay members of that organization should certainly be forgiven for assuming that this article, along with many other articles, charts and sermons, was encouraging them to look to 1975 with expectation. But for them also, 1975 came and went with no cataclysm.

    And what was the response of the leadership of both organizations to this failure of prophetic interpretation?

    "Some years ago I saw factors INDICATING the POSSIBILITY that our work might be completed by early 1972, and immediately followed by the [3 1/2 year] Great Tribulation. I NEVER SET A DEFINITE DATE. I NEVER SAID IT WOULD DEFINITELY HAPPEN- but cautioned there were indications of the possibility. Yet some misunderstood and took it as a definite prophecy for a definite date." (Worldwide Church founder Herbert Armstrong in a letter to his followers dated 3/25/75

    This same general approach was adopted by the Witness leadership as well. As one member wrote after 1975:

    I have been associated as a baptized Witness well over 39 years and with Jehovah's help I will continue to be a loyal servant. But to say I am not disappointed would be untruthful, for, when I know my feelings regarding 1975 were fostered because of what I read in various publications, and then I am told in effect that I reached false conclusions on my own, that, I feel, is not being fair or honest. (Robert Warren quoted in Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz)

    One would think after such disappointments the lay members would be more wary. Although this is true for some, the desire of most to be reassured their leaders have an inside track on God's timetable encouraged the leaders of both organizations to continue resetting "possible" time interpretations of prophecies. This is not really surprising, as both organizations had successfully weathered many unfulfilled prophecies over a period of decades: The Witnesses had set many dates in their publications for the "probable" beginning of the Millenium, including, particularly, 1914 and 1925. Each "disappointment" led to some drop in membership, but most members soon developed "amnesia" about the incidents, and new proselytes were seldom aware of past Witness failures- and the organization soon picked up momentum in growth again. For instance, in 1969, the total U.S. membership of Jehovah's Witnesses (as reported in the World Book Encyclopedia Year Book) was about 334,000. Below is a chart showing the net change in membership for each year from then until 1980. (If a group gains as many new members as it loses old members in one year, its net change in total membership for that year would be zero .)

    Note the huge net increase for 1975. In that year, they gained enough new members to make up for any lost to death or disaffection, plus another 66,000. It would be logical to attribute this unusually high increase in total membership to the "urgency" of the door-to-door preaching by Witnesses who felt "The End" would come that year in the fall, and the panic effect this might have on susceptible converts who were frightened by the preaching into joining the ranks of those who claimed the only safety in the perilous times to come. And note the rapid drop almost immediately! The trend down, starting in 1976 and hitting a "low" in 1979, was likely directly related to the disillusionment and defection of many current members, deeply cutting into missionary efforts of the group. At the "bottom" in 1979, they LOST as many members as they gained PLUS losing 35,000 beyond that!

    JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES:

    Net change in membership 1971-1980

    As for Herbert Armstrong, he had been announcing erroneous "probablies" for almost 40 years, including these gems from his Plain Truth Magazine during World War II (quoted in Armstrongism?Religion or Rip-off? by Marion McNair, p. 164-166):

    We cannot imagine Hitler, ruler over a German nation twice as great in population as Italy, turning all his vast power over to Mussolini... yet Bible prophecies [show]...most if not all of the nations now coming under Hitler's influence, finally giving their armed power over to [Mussolini] the Roman leader... Possibly Hitler will die or be killed within the next eighteen months. (Feb-Mar 1939 issue)

    Democracy went, yesterday, in England! Today England is a dictatorship, as absolutely as that of Adolph Hitler or Benito Mussolini... And when the United States gets into the war...THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN HERE!...the president will become dictator absolute and not only soldiers, but factory workers, farmers, every dollar of our money and wealth- all will be CONSCRIPTED! And it is THEN...[that] the Great Tribulation shall come, and the MARK of the Beast will be enforced! THE TIME IS AT HAND. IT IS time for us to AWAKE!...Armageddon, we believe, must be at least [only] three or four years away..." (Apr-May 1940)

    It is part of God's prophesied plan that Britain shall be invaded and conquered ...It is in the prophesied course of the war that the main fighting shall be in the Mediterranean and the Near East. (Sep-Oct 1941)

    Armstrong's organization in the years after 1972 and prior to his death in 1986 did not grow with the kind of numbers the Jehovah's Witnesses have sustained, but, in spite of frequent repeats of the type of dogmatic mistakes quoted above, it did manage an impressive growth record for a small, obscure start: Attendance at the church's annual fall convention of the Feast of Tabernacles was a few hundred, held at one site, at the beginning of the 1950's. In 1988 the church announced an attendance of about 144,000 (total), attending scores of sites around the world. (For more details regarding the history of the WCG, see the profile of the organization elsewhere on this site.)

    Observing these embarrassing failures, leaders of other church organizations which emphasize prophecy have become much more wary in recent years about setting any dates. While "selective amnesia" may work in organizations such as the WCG and the Jehovah's Witnesses, it is obvious to many that this is because those organizations are strongly authoritarian, and their memberships are used to accepting many discrepancies because they are used to being obedient to leadership. In less authoritarian organizations, the members might be less "forgiving" of radical failures in prophetic time tables!

    Does this mean that teachers in these less-authoritarian organizations are less prone to prophetic dogmatism? NO! It is just that they reserve their dogmatism for aspects of prophecy that are less "testable" than dates. When it comes to identifying mysterious Biblical "symbols" such as the "beasts" in the prophetic books of Daniel and Revelation, many teachers are just as dogmatic as the leaders of the Witnesses and the Worldwide Church. And, until the actual prophecies come to pass, they can usually safely expect that no one can really prove their interpretations "false."

  • Aude_Sapere
    Aude_Sapere

    I remember seeing copies of Armstrong's The Plain Truth all around town usually in restaurants.

    The word I got was that he plagerized the WTS.

    I mostly found it more interesting reading than the WT. (Oops!! Did I actually admit that??!!)

    Maybe it was just that it was a different writing style....

    -Aude.

  • Robert K Stock
    Robert K Stock

    Aude:

    The Plain Truth was better written then the Watchtower. Armstrong had been a salesman and understood how to properly package his message. Armstrong was a wacko but he had flare and style.

  • Aude_Sapere
    Aude_Sapere

    Thanks for the validation!

    It's been more than 20 years and I didn't remember specifics. Just that I enjoyed reading his publication much more than the WT.

    -Aude.

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