sounds like a good start thanks.
annulment of baptism
by bavman 29 Replies latest members private
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Robdar
You never had a real baptism in the first place. Most to all Christian denominations (especially Catholic and Orthodox, and Protestants), believe that for a baptism to be valid, you have to include the Trinitarian formula ("In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit").
Gee, the witnesses must have changed things around. When I was baptized, I was baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I was baptized in 1974.
Anybody know when they changed the "formula"?
Robyn
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bavman
i think it was with the advent of the new om book. sometime in the early 80's? that would also give you a little more leverage i believe robyn.
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jaredg
can anyone post the questions asked at the baptisimal talk?nevermind i found them
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AlmostAtheist
so, what you are saying if i understand this correctly "a.a." is only if an unqualified person gave my talk would my baptism be invalid correct?
I think that's what they're saying, but what they're *really* saying is that nobody can claim they had an invalid baptism after they lived the life of a JW. They essentially say, "Well, you acted like you thought you were a witness, so we're going to take you at your word that you really thought you were a witness and treat you as such."
In other words, all baptisms are valid. :-(
As long as you don't mind getting DF'd (or more likely, DA'd), then writing to Brooklyn about it won't hurt. If they agree that your baptism can be anulled, then great. But the more likely scenario is that they will contact your last known congregation and let it be known that you no longer want to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Then the congregation will form a committee, and declare that you have dissassociated yourself.
Are you in a position to just fade? Does it matter to you what official status the organization has on file for you?
Dave
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rick1199
To stand a chance you would have to have been baptised under the age of 16. But you would also have had to stop asscociating before you turned 16.
If you are still a Witness at 16 then they assume you have made the choice as an adult to be a witness regardless of the actual date of baptism.
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Honesty
For all these horrible years I've been thinking my baptism was something special.
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franklin J
my response to this is: why does anyone care?
Outside of the JW medievial sphere of influence no one cares; the "real world" could not care less what the Jehovahs Witnesses do inside their catty little world.
If you really intend to leave the religion why bother arguing with any of them?
Why validate ANY of the JW teachings ( including their baptism) by acknowlegding it ? By writing any kind of letter you are letting them know that your still value their opinions of your actions enough to ask them for an excuse. And you KNOW their what their reaction will be to you. Why give them that advantage at all.?
By simply IGNORING them you will send the message-and they will eventually catch on---that you mean business and DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED.
been there, done that, Frank
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franklin J
Elsewhere,
you are absolutely right about lawsuits; go after the elders individually and not the WTBTS.
That is exactly what I did when I left. My lawyer went after the entire elder body ( with the exception of my father) for slander and loss of business in the community ( their disfellowshipping of me would have caused me to lose business). When the pompous elders realized that they were in a position to lose their houses in a legal battle as settlement they backed off fast. They did send word to the CO and supposedly it went up to Bethel to make the decision; but it came back that they were to back off. The Watchtower did not want to get involved and made it clear that it WOULD NOT HELP THEM in a legal battle.
Ceasars court definately had " the bigger stick:. And you are right; they are all bullies and cowards.
I have never heard from them since that time many years ago.
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G Money
From a legal standpoint...
Annulling a contract due to incapacity (underage).
In commercial contracts, they would be voidable but usually the time to void the contract expires within a time (perhaps a year) after the age of majority is reached.
This is not intended to be legal advice as I am a revolutionary rebel and no longer practice law.