Bizarre news story

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  • bigboi
    bigboi

    LDH:

    OK Big I don't want you to take this thread in another direction.BUT At first I said IGNORANT people feed their children junk food. Now there are ignorant people be they rich or poor.

    Not trying to take this in another direction at all. You at first said uneducated, then( where you attempted to justify the statement you made) in a later post you said you saw "many welfare recipients". Sorry if I misunderstood you, but I thought welfare recipients are poor.

    I was remarking on my experience regarding SOME welfare recipients (NOT ALL) who need to be counseled on how to budget their food dollars, as well as what makes up a healthy diet for a child. Now just because YOU used to be poor and you knew how to eat well, does NOT MEAN all poor people know how to eat well.

    Ok, I don't see anything wrong with that. Everyone needs some advice on their diet and budgeting these days. why do you say just poor ppl though? The problem with nutrition and health affects everyone. Why single out the poor?

    I used to belong (actually coordinated) a food co-op. Of all the times I tried to get women who I was mentoring (family svcs and all that) to take advantage of these nutritious whole foods, NEVER ONCE did anyone on food stamps want to buy bulk rice, oats, grains, cheeses, meats etc. The members of my food co-op were all working middle-class women.

    Hell, I ain't on food-stamps. I don't buy bulk rice or anything like that because of my lifestyle. I prefer the little boxes of Zatarains rices. They're pretty good and they're ready in 25 mins. All you have to is boil and maybe brown some beef or cook a lil chicken and it's done. Are you saying their are working middle-class women on food stamps? I didn't know such creature exixted. Maybe they just didn't feel like cooking? You may say well you don't have kids. Well, when I get some I'll prolly just buy a couple more boxes is all.

    NO I did NOT say being poor means you eat like shit, you implied that. I told you being IGNORANT makes people choose unhealthy foods for their children. And it's not in my head, look at the statistics on the way obesity has risen in children here in the US.

    Are you sure you never made that implication? As I stated earlier, you said:

    {PS Bigboi, don't you know that nutritious whole foods cost WAY MORE than the crap most people feed their kids? Don't believe me? Ever been in a Whole foods market?--Why did you say WTF? I have seen many welfare recipients with their shopping carts full of Trix, Froot Loops and Shit, and mine is full of Meuslix etc etc.)

    If you weren't making that implication, then why did you mention only welfare recipients? I don't think they are the only ppl who eat Froot Loops, Trix etc.... I'm sorry, I didn't imply anything. I merely responded to what you said.

    ANY parent will tell you it is more expensive to feed your kids right than just load them up on Kraft Macaroni and Cheese.

    That's right, it prolly is. Yet, these ppl live a different lifestyle than you do. It prolly has more to do with the fact that most of em are young than poor. A lot of ppl are too tired to cook after working and just want to do something simple. Then again maybe they prefer the taste of so called "unhealthy food". Not to mention being a single mother w/ no help, they just want their children fed, and satisfied so that they tend to their other responsibilities or get some rest.

    ONE....

    bigboi

    "it ain't what ya do. it's how you do it" quote from the song "True Honeybunz" by Bahamadia

  • kenyata
    kenyata

    To LDH,

    When your in a relationship, of course the subject of whether you trust each other isn't going to be questioned, if that's the case, you would've broken up. You know how things are, you break up when things don't work out and you get bitter towards each other. I feel all cs cases should be accounted for, whether your married and just separated, divorced or never got married.

  • LDH
    LDH

    Hey Big,

    I said IGNORANT and UNEDUCATED people. In my second thread I mentioned welfare recipients, because I have direct experience in mentoring them and watching them make UNHEALTHY food choices.

    But hey, just like the CS thing, don't take my word for it. Here are some statistics by Doctors and Clinicians.

    http://www.diabetes-hypertension.com/obesity.htm
    Compared to the general population, minority populations--and especially minority women--have significantly higher rates of obesity. Currently, 46.7 percent of Hispanic and 48.6 percent of African American women are classified as overweight, which puts them significantly greater risk for health problems and a premature death.

    Obesity is especially rampant among low-income minorities, in some cases exceeding the prevalence in whites by three times. Studies find that a among Mexican American women aged 20 to 74, approximately 46 percent of low-income women are overweight compared to 40 percent for those above the poverty level. Similarly, non-Hispanic low income women have obesity rates of 39 percent compared to 25 percent for their counterparts at higher income levels.

    Or how about this one? http://www.obesity.org/Vol4_No2_cover.htm

    Presidential Candidates Respond to AOA Survey on Children and Obesity

    Representatives of the two major candidates for President of the United States addressed the epidemic of obesity at the AOA’s 2nd annual conference, Obesity: The Public Health Conference, Sept. 13-14 in Washington DC.

    "This is the first and only time I am aware of that candidates for President of the United States have addressed obesity in any campaign," commented AOA President Richard L. Atkinson, M.D.

    Senior Political Editor for CBS News Dotty Lynch organized the panel that included:

    Texas Governor George W. Bush’s representative, Sally Canfield, director of issues for the Bush Campaign.

    Vice President Albert Gore’s representatives, Melissa Goldstein, an expert on health issues, and Shirley Watkins, the Undersecretary of Agriculture for Food, Nutrition and Consumer Services at the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

    Margaret Heldring, former director of health policy for Senator Bill Bradley.

    The remaining 15 objectives in the focus area are mainly nutrition-oriented. Overweight and Obesity is further minimized by its placement in the sub-category of Weight Status and Growth, which contains an objective unrelated to obesity: Growth Retardation in Children.

    Eight weeks prior to the November 7th presidential election, the representatives discussed their candidates’ health care plans and approaches to obesity.

    They also responded to a new AOA survey on parents’ attitudes about their children’s weight that showed 78% of parents were opposed to reducing recess or physical education for more academics.

    Bush Campaign Position

    Sally Canfield outlined Governor Bush’s health care plan, which includes:

    replicating the Child and Adolescent Trial for Cardiovascular Health (CATCH) program across the country for obesity prevention. CATCH is geared toward 3rd, 4th and 5th grade students in border communities, who are given redesigned classes on physical activity and nutrition, and have healthy food choices available in their cafeteria.

    a commitment to Texas’ Healthy Communities Innovation Fund as a model program. The fund pro-vides grants totaling $500 million over five years for pilot programs and demonstration projects to address health risks in communities, and was structured on the CATCH program.

    a program to provide $3.6 billion over five years for 1,200 migrant health centers in medically under-served and rural areas without access to preventive and health care services.

    using the Texas Diabetes Council as a model for management and prevention of diabetes. According to Canfield, Bush is very concerned about diabetes, especially among children.

    addressing the issue of medically uninsured and underinsured children, and supporting a tax credit for health insurance if not offered by employers or through state programs.

    favoring Medical Savings Accounts and reform of Medicare for greater preventive services.

    Gore Campaign Position

    Melissa Goldstein addressed Vice President Gore’s interest in the "whole child" and the need for developing a sound body and a sound mind in our nation’s schoolchildren. Responding to a Centers for Disease Control report of a 30% decrease in the number of high school students enrolled in daily physical education, Goldstein replied, "I think we have now recognized the trend and realize it is not a healthy one for mind and body. The President has instructed the Secretary of Health and Human Services to report by the end of October on how schools can include physical education classes." Goldstein said that Gore’s health care plan includes:

    a life-encompassing approach to health including health education classes that focus on life long strategies for health. This includes pre-natal, school and after-school programs, including obesity prevention.

    expanding the Child Health Insurance Program for all children.

    significant increases in funding for the National Institutes of Health, which she acknowledged that Bush also supports.

    Regarding the issue of Medicare coverage of obesity pharmaceutical agents, Goldstein indicated that Gore would support a science-based approach if accepted among professionals. She also indicated that Gore is concerned about genetic discrimination in insurance, which might affect persons with obesity.

    Shirley Watkins praised the accomplishments of the Clinton-Gore Administration including:

    the USDA conference on childhood obesity in 1998, the first time any Administration has identified childhood obesity as a major health issue,

    the Department of Agriculture’s Great Nutrition Debate,

    Healthy People 2010,

    the National Nutrition Summit,

    a new program in which five medical societies help parents combat "pouring rights contracts," an agreement by which schools pro-mote students’ consumption of soft drinks in return for millions of dollars.

    Watkins also reflected on the problems of poverty, diabetes and obesity. "Poor families are forced to buy non-nutritious foods that are calorie laden that they feed their children," she said. "In some communities they are afraid to let their children go out of the house, so there is no physical activity. There is a high incidence of obesity in poor families not because they are overfed but because they are under-nourished." She announced that the Surgeon General will have a workshop in December, 2000 to address obesity.

    Another Perspective

    Margaret Heldring addressed the nature of the health care discussion in national politics. She observed that health care issues are often skipped in favor of health insurance access and costs. She said that the Bradley campaign tried to broaden the health care debate by teaching people that "supporting good health will reduce costs and will free up health care dollars

    Again, I invite you to explore these sources, or just go to any search engine and type in "poor nutrtition and poverty" or "Obesity and poverty."

    You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder lately, Big. Not only don't I puff words out of my ass, I can back up with statistics why I have a particular point of view.

    Whether or not YOU like Froot Loops Apple Jacks or any other cereal is beside the point. The comment was centered on uneducated ignorant women buying high calorie, low nutrition food and then running out of money at the end of the month. This is not something I've READ somewhere, again I will mention I MENTOR in this area.

    YES to answer your question, we have Froot Loops in our house. The are eaten as the after school snack that they are, they are not breakfast, lunch or any other meal where brain power depends on the quality of food you've eaten. Period. House Rules: No processed sugar before 12 noon. In any form.

    Here in Fresno there is an epidemic. The kids come to school so loaded up on junk food, they CAN'T think. Now, school sites in the poorer neighborhoods are offering FREE BREAKFAST and FREE LUNCH to these students, recognizing that for whatever reason, their parents can NOT be relied upon to feed them properly.

    Lisa

  • claudia
    claudia

    Lisa, you re right, I dont make my children a box of macaroni and cheese for dinner. I always make at least 3 fresh veggies with dinner,I always buy fresh fruits. and I balance everything. And I have a teenage boy who is on the football team. He eats alot! Some of you people have to get a clue!

  • claudia
    claudia

    Nutritious food is a neccesity! Kenyata, I feel you have ab axe to grind because your hubby has a child to support.

  • Andee
    Andee

    Hey Lisa!

    Lived in the central valley (89-97 Dinuba and Sanger) for eight years. Still have family that lives there.

    Anyway, I can confirm your free breakfast and lunch for kids and how poor the eating habits of those in poverty (and it's rampant in that area) are. I used to discuss it with the preschool resource specialist (also a teacher) in our school district. Her frustration in those, that even with help, still chose to feed their kids junk or not feed them breakfast at all (hence the free breakfast).

    Well, I know this is off the subject of the thread.......

    Andee

  • kenyata
    kenyata

    To Claudia,

    Yes, nutritious food is necessary, I never denied that. Our kids at home eat nutritious foods all the time. If my husbands ex buys nutritious foods for her kids to eat, thats excellent. I have no reason to have an ax to grid just because he made himself legally financially responsible for his ex's kids. If there were 10 kids he had before we got together, you'd better be certain that I will push him to take care of them. My whole point was about spending cs on things other than the kids. I think you saw that point and maybe you just had to mention that, which is fine. If I had a problem with him being legally financially responsible for other kids , which I never would,but if I did, I wouldn't have choosen to get together with him. I'm not that type of mother or woman to be jealous of kids. They are innocent, its the parents that do the dirt.

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    Hey LDH:

    I said IGNORANT and UNEDUCATED people. In my second thread I mentioned welfare recipients, because I have direct experience in mentoring them and watching them make UNHEALTHY food choices.

    Yep, you did say that uneducated ppl make bad food choices for thier kids. Yep, I guess you don't have to be poor to be uneducated. A lot of ppl today make poor food choices in the stuff they buy. if you meant everyone then you should have made that clear when you posted your statement. Then when I came back withthe statement WTF, you backed up your statement with an example of a welfare recipient. Then you accused me of implying the wrong thing about what you said. I don't know how I could have gotten any other conclusion from what you posted.

    Bad food choices are not the sole possession of poor families. If you had menat anything else you wouldn't have singled out only one group of ppl who make bad food choices. It may affect them more but the stuff you posted is highly subjective. Kids come to school so loaded up on sweets that they can't think? You really believe that? How many ppl on this board prolly stopped at the sweet shop early before school? Come on LDH. Just because somebody decides to write it down or does a study doesn't mean their data is correct or it corresponds to real life. So what a lot of minorities are overweight? Using the standards that are set today almost everybody is overweight. You think a woman whose 5'8 150 lbs with a nice set of tits and an ass to match is overweight? Then I guess everybody is entitled to their opinion. I think a woman like that is one fine mofo. I'd feed her all she wanted and more.

    Point blank LDH, You made the wrong implication by what you said in your first post and showed it by your attempt to justify it in the second when you responded to my WTF.

    ONE....

    bigboi

    "it ain't what ya do. it's how you do it" quote from the song "True Honeybunz" by Bahamadia

  • kenyata
    kenyata

    To Larc,

    Don't forget, the females were just as irresponsible, its not only the guys, its the females to.

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