My born-again christian friend that help me leave the WTS is devoted to telling Jews that they are going to hell for not believing in Jesus Christ. I tell him all the time that I believe that Jehovah and Jesus going to save Jews if their worship is sincere. He insist that Jews and anybody that is not a born-again Christian is going to burn in hell for eternity. This is why born-agains turn me off sometimes because they tend to be so judgemental against others that don't believe the way they do. Ex-jw's that are born-agains tend to be worse in my opinion. You would think after leaving the WTS and all of that hate they would be alittle more accepting of others but they do the same thing that the WTS does to its members they teach intolerance. How many posters out there really believe that Jehovah is going to be another Hitler and torture and burn Jewish people or non-christians in the lake of fire?
How many ex-jw's that are christians now believe jews are going to hell?
Hey! Not all Jews are going to hell! What about Jews for Jesus?
just thought I'd throw that in.
Do not believe that such a horrid place exists in the first place.
a fundy is a fundy is a fundy.
Whenever you exclude people from your little group *insert whatever religion, especially fundamentalist* you check out from loving mankind.
That thought never crossed my mine and why should it?
Jesus was a Jew. So was his mother. And the 12 Apostles and Paul and most of the early church mentioned in the Bible Is there a problem in being a Jew?
The term "Christian" has been co-opted by evangelicals, as has "born again." I identify myself as Christian because I don't identify with the atheists on this board, and if there is going to be a division between the believers and unbeleivers, put me with the former. But one can be a Christian and believe in universal salvation, though others may think such a one is not an orthodox Christian.
There is (according to the NT) only one road to everlasting life and that is acceptance of Jesus Christ as the messiah. Along with that acceptance one must have works that give credence to their faith (faith without works is dead). So this means that everybody else loses out on eternal life (of course I don’t believe in a literal burning hell). Now it would seem to many that this means that a lot of good people are going to lose out on eternal life simply because they are not “Christians”. Is this true? Consider that most who have died will have a resurrection (second chance, IMHO) and opportunity to do God’s will under absolutely favorable circumstances.
A side thought here is what is it that makes a person good in God’s eyes? 1John 2:17 says, “He who does the will of God lives forever”. This seems to imply that a person who is not doing God’s will is by default not a “good” person. This may seem unfair but it is God who makes the rules and not man. IMHO, God is a lot fairer then men.
Matt 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
GE 45:3 Joseph said to his brothers, "I am Joseph! Is my father still living?" But his brothers were not able to answer him, because they were terrified at his presence.
GE 45:4 Then Joseph said to his brothers, "Come close to me." When they had done so, he said, "I am your brother Joseph, the one you sold into Egypt! 5 And now, do not be distressed and do not be angry with yourselves for selling me here, because it was to save lives that God sent me ahead of you.
Joseph was very gracious to his brothers, whose hearts he saw had been humbled, even though they hadn't recognized him. Christ is the fullness of grace, and the perfect Judge.
We may speak of certain fire exits in a tall building where we are directed to go to escape; it would not be surprising that a ladder truck could also be working in the back of the building, beyond our sight...
I don't think the issue will be something so fatalistic as simply being born in the 'wrong' place at the 'wrong' time; I don't even think it will be something as technical as speaking that one is a believer (for even some who have said 'Lord, Lord' are sent away). God knows which hearts are magnetized to Him in reality, whatever the background (Jew or otherwise).
But the more important question is the one concerning ourselves, IMO. We can't make another person's decisions; just our own. Are our 'choices' simply 'defaults'?