Is there a difference between a "wrong expectation" and a "false prophecy"?

by booker-t 31 Replies latest jw friends

  • Elsewhere
    Well the other day we had another knock down debate about "false prophecies" and the WTS. My mom insist that the WTS are not false prophets but merely had many "wrong expectations" the same as other bible writers and disciples of Christ. Her new agrument is that a person can be under Jehovah's holy spirit and still make an "error in understanding" as the WTS has done on many occasions.

    So, what is the difference between "wrong expectations" and "false prophecy"?

    If someone speaks in the name of Jehover and gets it wrong... they are a "false prophet" [PERIOD]

    All of the examples she gave is a clear indication that MANY of the people in the bible were false prophets who continued to deceive the people through "smooth words of deception". This also tells me that the bible itself is corrupted to the core.

  • amazin

    Hi Kennson! Matt. 24:3 "Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives the disciples came to Him privately saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming and the end of the age?" Since Christians serve a live and a living God that means this present age and this present generation as well. 24:3 says "And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you." C. T. Russell & Judge Rutherford deceived the JW's, Jesus didn't for He cannot lie. 24:14 Jesus is speaking "And this gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." This verse clearly expresses the anticipation that the good new of Jesus Christ will be preached all over the world before the end of it; it involves the declaration of the message of grace for forgiveness and power of deliverance from sin. We certainly can't save ourselves although some teach that you can, it's only by God's grace and mercy that we are forgiven and saved. Through our faith in Jesus and our trust in Him that He is who He says He is can we show evidence of change. Maybe that's one reason why JW's are so heartless and obnoxious and uncharitible. An organization that would tell it's members that they cannot a funeral, not even their mother's, if it is held in a church, well, demonic comes to mind. "To all nations" which includes every group of people will hear about the insuring "proof" of Christ's resurrection life and present power to save and heal. God cares for all people; Jesus died for every person; and the Word of God is for every nation before the end. Verses 32-35 of Chapter 24 of Matthew is telling us even the present generation (right now) would know Jesus and be a witness to Him (and that certainly means not only JW's). I Jesus in His incarnate state does not know the time of the Second Coming, and the end, it is futile for others to speculate. Nobody can say with any degree of certainty when Jesus is coming again, because He clearly said that even the angels in heaven do not know that day (Mk. 13:32). No man knows that day, this knowledge is reserved strictly for God the Father so since C.T. Russell & Judge Rutherford are not God, they then are false prophets, who taught false doctrine and twisted scripture and who harmed many and since the WTS won't reveal this but try to cover up these deceptions they too, are false prophets, telling lies. It would do you well to admit it because no matter what you say this Word of God is for this present generation, it is the revelent Word of God, God manifested in Jesus Christ and endowed by the Holy Spirit within us not a force of nature. If you didn't get it this time get a Bible and read it and make sure it's a real one not the NWT. Goodbye and God bless you, in Jesus Name!

  • truth_about_the_truth

    Wrong expectation = when the WT gets it wrong

    False prophecy = Everyone else

  • undercover

    Actually if you accept the JW concept of there being a modern fulfillment to the generation teaching, Jesus is a false prophet along with the JWs.

    When the dubs were still pushing the generation teaching they quoted Jesus over and over. They used phrases like, "Jesus gives us the assurance..." "Christ promises...." "Jesus said 'this generation will not pass away'...". JWs used Jesus' words to back the teaching and made a point of saying it was a promise from Jesus.

    Where along the way did Jesus' promise change? When did his words change? If he said it and it didn't come true, then Jesus along with those that followed those words became false prophets.

    Now, Jesus wouldn't be a false prophet if he was speaking of the generation that saw Jerusalem destroyed by the Roman armies and there was no later day fulfillment. That came true (according to how the Bible is written).

    So, if the generation was not a two-fold prophecy and Jesus was just speaking of his comtemporaries, then anyone who misconstrues those words to apply to any other generation is now a false prophet.

    With the change in the generation teaching the JWs can't win. 100 years of wrong dates is one thing, but they hinged the entire generation thing on Jesus literal words to a modern day fulfillment of prophecy and were wrong. They blew it and they have no way out of it.

  • Kenneson


    When Matthew said that Jesus said that "this gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations and then the end will come" someone will invariably ask if he wasn't speaking of the world (nations) of his time rather than those of successive ages. What do you think he understood "this generation will by no means pass away until..." to mean? Although no one knows the day of Christ's second coming, don't you think Matthew believed that the end would come in his generation? Did it? What would have been the point (that Matthew attributes to Jesus) to be speaking of a generation thousands of years later? You say that "this" means our generation too. Well, that's a mighty long generation, isn't it? What if Matthew was mistaken?

  • BU2B


  • daringhart13

    The issue isn't 'expectations' or 'prophecies''s why they are commenting on it AT ALL.

    The Bible clearly, succinctly, without a shadow of a doubt, says that no man should be concerned with timetables or 'end times.'

    So why are they commenting on it at all? Much less for over a century?

  • prologos

    "It is not given to you to understand TIME and seasons, that the father has put IN HIS OWN JURISDICTION" -- Jesus as reportetd in Acts 1:7.

  • Vidiot

    booker-t - "Is there a difference between a 'wrong expectation' and a 'false prophecy'?"


    In Watchtowistan, one label gives yourself a free pass out of an embarrassing situation, the other wakes people up to TTATT.

    daringhart13 - "So why are they commenting on it at all? Much less for over a century?"

    'Cause up 'til now, that shit sells.

  • Oubliette

    Ok, I can settle this debate quite easily:

    • False Prophecy: When any other religion says something that doesn't come true.
    • Wrong Expectation: When the leaders of the WTBTS says something that doesn't come true.

    It's all bullshit. This is just another high-control, authoritarian cult that has lost the thread ... probably they never even had it. It's all about manipulation and control by a bunch of delusional fools that think God talks to them and only them. In my book, this is a classic example of mental illness.

    Ok, so now that that's settled, let's talk about something really important!

    What's for dinner? I'm thinking Chinese or maybe Italian? What do you want?

    It's a cult!


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