Dub Hierarchy- Built on a shaky foundation?

by upside/down 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  upside/down

  Isnt the entire Dub hierarchy doomed due to it's foundation? For instance those taking the "lead" can't usually get help with personal problems without going to fellow elders. Yet to do such one takes a very big risk of losing the ever so cherished and long sought after (after much @$$ kissing) "privelege". Even if a family member has "problems", you will probably lose the position.
  

  Since position is everything to most of these under-educated, mentally ill despots (I know there are a few "good" ones), any "problem" is sure to be hidden away. As we all know only the stupid and naive (the truly "good" Dub's) "come forward", and get the "loving" help from da bro's.

  Since most problems are hidden (purposefully) they are never solved. And like a neglected wound eventually fester to the point of gangrene. Now the house of cards crumbles and there are usually MANY casualties. Why must the "fall" be so hard? This is a self-perpetuating system of failure based on the premise that "good" people won't "screw up" - when the opposite is the actual truth. At least that's what I read in the Bible. David, Paul, Peter etc. should all have been "removed" according to the Dub "rules". So you have a group of men who pretend to be what they are not, out of FEAR - not love. I mean who wants to work that long and hard only to have it ripped away from you by your fellow tyrant?

  Wouldn't it make more sense to not be so harsh and judgemental? Or is this just "pride before a crash" proving true and playing out? So hard to get to "the top", yet so easy to be brought to the bottom. How do you ever retain your good people? And the climb back up is a LONG and PAINFUL one (with most quitting). As many here know.

  u/d
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  franklin J

  yes, a shaky foundation and the INSECURITY OF OTHERS.....
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  confusedjw

  yes, a shaky foundation and the INSECURITY OF OTHERS.....

  Just another cry for help - Yes Franklin I LIKE YOU, we all do!. Upside/Down - points well taken
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  franklin J

  HAH!

  ...thanks for my chuckle of the day...
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  what_Truth?

  Good point u/d. Now that I think back most of the elders and ministerial servants I've known where either the sons of other elders, the sons of non-JW parents, or tranfers from out of town. In hindsight it makes perfect sense. The sons of elders can keep their problems in the family. The sons of non JW's can discuss their problems with trustworthy people outside the org. Elders from out of town can start over in a new congregation with a clean slate. In 16 years I've never seen a person become an elder in the congregation they were raised in.
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  metatron

  Most elder bodies are comparable to "made men" in organized crime or "good old boys" in crony capitalism.

  It's simple: You have your secrets and I have mine. Everything is peacefully corrupt - unless some disagreement

  breaks out that a prying C.O. can use to disrupt matters. It also helps to have an "inner circle" that exclude sensitive

  issues from the rest of the elder body. You have a few elders who cover up the child molestation, drunkenness, drug use,

  fornication and theft while the rest of the body has no idea what's going on.

  How do I know? I've lived thru such a circumstance and talked to others with the same experience.

  metatron
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  AlanF

  I think you're right, u/d.

  A related fundamental cause for this problem is the claim that "elders are appointed by holy spirit", which reaches its ultimate form in the notion that God has appointed Watchtower leaders to be a "faithful and discreet slave" in charge of the JW community and "directed by holy spirit". Anyone in such a position of authority and teaching is by definition a prophet (the Society admits this under the heading "Prophet" in the Insight book), and we've seen decades of JW literature claiming that JW leaders, and even the JW community in a more limited sense, are indeed "prophets". When actually speaking in God's name, true prophets can't make mistakes, so the pressure to avoid admitting mistakes on the part of anyone claiming to be "appointed by holy spirit" is enormous. It's enormous because to admit a mistake when speaking in God's name means admitting that one is not in fact speaking in God's name, which in turn requires admitting that one is a false teacher and therefore a false prophet. Since admitting this would destroy the entire house of cards on which the JW community is built, it simply isn't done.

  This basic problem is tied up with the Fundamental Doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses, i.e., "Thou shalt believe that the Governing Body speaks for God and thou shalt obey it as if God himself commanded you."

  AlanF
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  upside/down

  It's all bad math, example:

  If A = B and B = C, than A = C right?

  Holy Spirt = Elders(or WTS), Elders(or WTS)=Wrong, than Holy Spirit = Wrong right?

  It's like the general who loves being a general (but sucks at it), when his army is being overrun and surrender is inevitable he takes his hat off an appoints his assistant as the new general. Thus avoiding all accountability.

  I think I get it

  u/d