Put your waders on, we?re going in the deep end?
JW Premise: God created Jesus, and then together they created everything else.
Fact: Time and space require at least two points to exist. You cannot reference time or space with only one thing.
So before God created Jesus, there was no way to measure time. My point is God created time by creating Jesus.
Thus, God cannot be measured or contained by time (this explains why God does not have a start or end). Because of the God stands outside of time, it can be likened to another dimension. Sort of like a human of 3 dimensions (width, height and depth) dealing with a picture of a person in a painting in 2 dimensions (no depth).
If you think about ?time? as a box that God can step into or out of, now you can understand why God could make prophecies. God can see the whole picture ?beginning to end.? You could also use a DVD player as ?time?, with a DVD movie as ?creation.? God produces, directs and casts the movie, and uses the fast-forward and reverse buttons to watch it. Trapped on the DVD, the characters in the movie aren?t aware God is moving around time, they only exist when God pushes ?play?.
The ramifications of this are huge:
PREDESTINATION is a fact: God knows the whole picture. God could adjust the course of history, but would understand exactly what would happen then too.
FREE-WILL is academic because God can ?fast-forward? to see your choices.
PERMISSION OF EVIL is non sequitur because God foresaw that result when God created the opportunity of evil (Satan, etc.)
GOD AS JUDGE: Not if all of creation has been ?framed?! Why resurrect those who will be destroyed at the end of the 1000-year reign if God could fast-forward to see who was faithful?
JWs adamantly try to refute predestination while proclaiming fulfillment of prophecy:
*** w95 2/15 p. 7 Can Predestination Be Reconciled With God?s Love? ***
If God?s servants were predestined?or programmed, so to speak?could not the genuineness of their love for their Creator be called into question? Also, would it not be contrary to God?s impartiality for him to make a predetermined choice of persons destined to glory and happiness without taking their individual merits into account? Moreover, if some receive such preferential treatment, while others are destined to eternal punishment, this would hardly arouse sincere feelings of gratitude in the ?elect,? or ?chosen ones.? ... True, God can foresee certain events, but in many cases, he has chosen not to use his foreknowledge. Because God is almighty, he is free to exercise his abilities as he wishes, not according to the wishes of imperfect humans.
*** w53 4/15 p. 255 Questions from Readers ***Compare to the other side of the mouth:
But what real praise would it be to God to make a man blind so that he could heal him later on? Rather than praiseworthy, that would be only the long-delayed righting of a wrong previously committed. It would be as hypocritical as one who sets up a straw man and then in a vain display knocks it down.
*** it-2 p. 692 Prophecy ***
Daniel?s prophecy, for example, provided information that constituted an invaluable link between the close of the writing of the Hebrew or pre-Christian Scriptures and Messiah?s coming. Its forecast of world events, including the rise and fall of successive world powers, gave assurance to Jews living during the centuries of Persian, Greek, and Roman dominance (as well as to Christians thereafter) that there was no ?blind spot? in God?s forevision, that their own times were indeed foreseen and that Jehovah?s sovereign purpose was still certain of fulfillment.
Notice these FULFILLED PROPHECIES according to JWs:
- Jehovah predicts destruction of Babylon, names Cyrus as conqueror and means of attack. (Jeremiah 25:9-11)
- Jehovah predicts fall of Tyre and describes land bridge built by Alexander. (Ezekiel 26:3, 4, 12)
- Jehovah predicts world powers applied to Greece ?a leopard with four wings?, Rome ?it will devour all the earth and will trample it down and crush it?, British ?defeated the three rival empires of Spain, France, and the Netherlands to become the major world power. Thus did the newcomer ?horn? humiliate ?three kings.? God?s Word, pg 128
- Jesus year of death predicted (Daniel 9:26, 27)
How could any of the instances above have been foretold and come true without God 1) ?hitting the fast-forward button? 2) directly making specific humans to act certain ways?
To me I don?t see how God would be selective with ?forevision?. In my mind it is clear (according to this premise) God not only ?knows? the future, God is IN the future, as well as the past, AT THE SAME ?TIME?.
Any takers? The water?s warm!