GERMAN JWS DURING WWII

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  • heyfea
    heyfea

    I saw the documentary Secret Lives: Hidden Children and their Rescuers during WWII. I was really touched by the stories of survival and the courage shown by lot of German families, as well as Polish, French, etc, who hid Jewish children during the war, even when they knew they could suffer the same fate as the Jews if caught.

    Many times in the Watchtower we read stories of German JWs who were sent to concentration camps.....but they only went because they were JWs, not because they risked their lives in order to save Jews. Right? Does any one know of German JWs who hid Jews during the war? Just curious

  • Joker10
    Joker10

    I don't remember of any German W's hiding any Jews. But they have helped people escape death. Examples: the Rwanda massacre and also in Israel.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    I reproduce a quote on the couragous action of the JW's in Rwanda. I do not wish to denegrate what they did , but It must be noted that this was to save a "Brother in the faith", not someone of a different religion. To their credit the Witnesses have an excellent record in breaking down national and tribal boundaries. But this is replaced by an elitism and partisanship for their own members , to the extent that all others are regarded as "Godless worldings" fit for destruction

    Individual witnesses are, I am sure, capable of great acts of heroism and neighbour love, but that is not encouraged by the inward looking beliefs of the WTS

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    w98 4/1 pp. 18-19 A Book From God ***

    For those who truly seek to live by the Bible?s teachings, this knowledge has a unifying effect. It works on the deepest level?in the heart?dissolving the man-made barriers that divide people. Does it really work in today?s world?

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    Most certainly it does! Jehovah?s Witnesses are well-known for their international brotherhood, which unites people of different backgrounds who ordinarily would not be at peace with one another. During the ethnic clashes in Rwanda, for example, Jehovah?s Witnesses of each tribe protected their Christian brothers and sisters of the other tribe, endangering their own lives in the process. In one case, a Hutu Witness concealed in his home a Tutsi family of six from his congregation. Sadly, the Tutsi family were eventually discovered and killed. The Hutu brother and his family now faced the wrath of the killers and had to flee to Tanzania. Many similar examples were reported. Jehovah?s Witnesses readily acknowledge that such unity is possible because their hearts have been deeply touched by the motivating power of the Bible?s message. That the Bible can unite people in this hate-filled world is powerful proof that it is from God.
  • metatron
    metatron

    There were great acts of personal courage by some Witnesses who faced the Nazis.

    However, there was also a darker side to their actions. After the war, records surfaced

    that various brothers willingly betrayed one another to the Gestapo because of personal

    jealousy and hatred - particularily including brothers in leadership positions. The Watchtower

    Society knew about this - which is why they often made remarks about 'not hating your brother'

    because 'what would you do in persecution or prison?'.

    A better example was set by the Quakers ( Society of Friends) - who approached Nazi leaders

    and were allowed to set up refugee centers to move Jews out of Germany to safety.

    Believe it or not, many Nazis simply wanted Jews out of Europe ( Judenrein) and didn't

    care how that was accomplished. While JW's peddled magazines, other people took

    action and saved lives.

    metatron

  • blondie
    blondie
    But they have helped people escape death. Examples: the Rwanda massacre and also in Israel.

    But only other JWs, not non-JWs.

    During the ethnic clashes in Rwanda, for example, Jehovah?s Witnesses of each tribe protected their Christian brothers and sisters of the other tribe, endangering their own lives in the process. In one case, a Hutu Witness concealed in his home a Tutsi family of six from his congregation. Sadly, the Tutsi family were eventually discovered and killed. The Hutu brother and his family now faced the wrath of the killers and had to flee to Tanzania.

    For if YOU love those loving YOU, what reward do YOU have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if YOU greet YOUR brothers only, what extraordinary thing are YOU doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? MATTHEW 5:46-47

    Blondie

  • RR
    RR

    It should be noted that BOTH Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses wore the Purple Triangle, both groups went to the camps for different reasons. The Bible Students because of their pro-Israel stance. They oftened harbored Jews and helped them escape. The Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany were not called JW's, they didn't adopt the JW name until the 1950s.

    When you visit the holocaust museum in Washington, DC, there is a section for JW's, however some of the pictures are not of JW's but Bible Students.

    RR

  • GermanXJW
    GermanXJW

    Hans Rosental, a now deceased German TV star of the 60s/70s, was Jewish and he told his story that he survived the Holocaust because a JW hid him.

    @RR: The Nazis were not that deep in theology. They went to the camps because to the Nazis it was all the same.

  • heyfea
    heyfea

    Thank you all for the information.

    I can't believe that some JWs betrayed other JWs. It is appalling.

  • waiting
    waiting

    Gay Prisoners in Concentration Camps as Compared with Jehovah's Witnesses and Political Prisoners" By Ruedilger Lautmann, Sociologist

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    "Gay Prisoners in Concentration Camps as Compared with Jehovah's
    Witnesses and Political Prisoners

    Ruediger Lautmann

    Historians in Germany argue about how universal the historical
    character of national socialism was. One conservative faction
    would like to view the communist system as responsible for fascism.
    Because Marxism was victorious in Russia, the Fascist parties were
    able to win in Italy and Germany. This speculation claims that the
    destruction of social class distinctions by the Bolsheviks prepared
    the way for racial murders of the Nazis.
    The extermination of the
    Jews is presented as a distorted copy of a previous model, rather
    than as a unique occurrence. Other social scientists have
    protested against viewing Nazi crimes in such a relativistic way.
    They see an aura of normality being created and fear that the basic
    anti fascist consensus in the Federal republic might end. They are
    also apprehensive about the analogy to current politics and warn
    against a restoration by means of history.

    The dispute concerns the question: Is the Holocaust continuous with
    the rest of European history, or does it represent a unique event,
    a break in the continuum of history? Such exciting and dangerous
    speculation belongs to a sort of metaphysical thinking that has a
    long tradition in German historiography. As a sociologist, I would
    like to take a more modest starting point: Is what the Nazis did to
    their internal enemies unique or totally surprising?

    Investigating concentration camps from a sociological perspective,
    one does not confront a phenomenon that is singular and
    interesting, while at the same time ordinary and banal. No special
    attention is given to the "actors of history." Investigation into
    the structure and procedures of the concentration camps inevitably
    leads to comparison with other institutionS and some form of
    differentiation. A morsel of normality is discovered in the
    atrocities, without in the least belittling them.

    Regarding Nazi atrocities in this way has its price; it represses
    emotion. It focuses on details, rather than on the Holocaust as a
    whole. Understanding the preconditions of a terror means studying
    its construction, develop ment, and operation in detail.
    In this
    essay, I would like to consider the aims of the terror and
    concentrate on the non-Jewish categories of prisoners, using
    homosexuals as an example.

    Extermination or Reeducation? The concentration camp was one
    weapon in the campaign to bring state and society into conformity
    with fascism. If physical extermination formed the most frightful
    instrument of that policy, it was not the only one. A range of
    attempts were made to isolate people and to use fear to inhibit
    "undesirable" behavior. Whatever the reasons for imprisonment, all
    incarcerations were the result of Nazi ideology and posed a danger
    to the prisoner's life. The categories of prisoners differed from
    one another in how they were selected and treated. Those groups
    whom the Nazis deemed inimical but not racially undesirable were
    not completely rounded up, but taken only in random samples They
    also fared differently within the camps. Homosexuals, political
    prisoners, and Jehovah's Witnesses are among the groups who were
    sent to the concentration camps for reeducation. They were
    supposed to renounce their particular orientation.
    The very fact
    of their incarceration restrained their ideological comrades
    outside the camps from becoming active in the struggle against
    Nazism.

    Democratic freedom makes pluralism possible. In democracies,
    deviations from the norm concern not only criminality but also
    sexuality, ethnicity, religion, and attitudes toward work. The
    Nazi system was concerned with deviations in all these areas. It
    classified political, sexual, religious, and working-attitude
    deviations in separate categories. In all probability, the
    Hitlerian state required these definitions of the enemy and was, in
    its own terms, correct in its choice of these groups. Within a
    society, minority and separationist groups represent a seedbed of
    possible revolt. Homosexuality has always and everywhere existed.
    Hitler considered homosexuality as a predisposition that could not
    be changed. It was assumed that a homosexual orientation could not
    be eliminated, that only its manifestations could be blocked.
    Thus, the pink triangle worn by the homosexual in the concentration
    camp represented the Nazis' intention to reeducate him
    .
    Severe
    measures were in fact intended only as behavioristic conditioning:
    a way to cause unlearning through aversion.

    No credence was placed in a simple change of opinion by
    homosexuals, such as was granted to Jehovah's Witnesses, who were
    not taken entirely seriously, or even to political prisoners.
    Two
    categories were seen among homosexuals: the constitutionally
    hard-boiled homosexual and the occasional offender. Since in
    neither case was the Aryan status of the homosexual in doubt, all
    could remain alive. If necessary, homosexuals were to be
    castrated, but they were permitted to continue to work. As a
    matter of policy, extermination was therefore restrained. In
    practice there were other contrary impulses on the part of the SS,
    and those who wore the pink triangle met an unusually harsh fate.
    The social controls directed at homosexuals within the camp
    represented a continuation and an intensification of social
    controls imposed by society at large.

    Continuity of Social Control At the beginning of this essay, I
    mentioned the questionable attempt of some historians to deny the
    uniqueness of the Third Reich, to historicise it and to externalize
    responsibility. This approach has nothing to do with the
    connection I would like to establish here between society as a
    whole and society inside the camps. This continuity remains within
    the German context and does not seek its origins outside the
    frontiers of the Reich. The concentration camp was an extreme
    instance of social control. It mixed ordinary and singular
    characteristics of social regulation. For example, it was and is
    "normal" to categorize and stigmatize people; it is "singular" to
    ascribe total uselessness to a certain group. It is "normal" to
    organize the life of an inmate; it is "singular" to view the life
    of a prisoner as being of almost no value. It is "normal" to
    devalue homosexual activities and to impose certain disadvantages
    on those who engage in them; it is "singular" to impose this
    devaluation by physical force and without constitutional
    procedures. It is "normal" (up to the present day) to stigmatize
    homosexuals; it is "singular" to attempt to eliminate homosexual
    life-styles and to destroy the subculture completely by organizing
    police raids.

    The closer a prisoner's category was to the heart of Nazi ideology,
    the more dangerous his circumstances in the camp.
    Furthermore, the
    more repressively a group was controlled in society, the harder the
    fate of its members within the camp. Increasing the number of
    those sentenced, and imposing stricter rules in the military and
    party organizations, was followed by an increased death rate in the
    camp. The more marginal the social position of a group, the more
    marginal their position was within the camp.

    The prisoners with the pink triangle had certainly shown "precamp"
    qualities of survival, but they did not get a chance to apply these
    qualities in the camp. Because their subculture and organizations
    outside had been wantonly destroyed, no group solidarity developed
    inside the camp. Since outside the concentration camp homosexuals
    were regarded as effete, they were given no tasks of
    self-administration inside the camps. Since every contact outside
    was regarded as suspicious, homosexuals did not even dare to speak
    to one another inside (as numerous survivors have reported in
    interviews). Since homosexuals were generally regarded as
    worthless, their fellow prisoners had a lower regard for them.
    Thus, few accounts of the pink triangles exist, and those that do
    exist have a spiteful flavor.

    Differences between Prisoner Categories To regard the prisoners
    according to their categories means distinguishing between major
    and minor sufferings. Is that permissible? We could even ask: Is
    social science still possible after Auschwitz? Nevertheless,
    various developments have virtually given a positive answer to
    these questions. After 1945 differences in the fate of different
    groups of prisoners have been recognized by differences in
    compensation.
    Research, too, has given varying degrees of
    attention to the different groups of victims. The color of the
    assigned triangle (i.e., the prisoner category) was the basis for a
    collective fate.

    In my empirical research, I have sifted all extant documents to
    examine the names and data on all concentration camp prisoners
    registered as being homosexual.' I found the data for about 1,500
    homosexuals
    (This is a complete survey of the quite incomplete
    documents). I chose as control groups Jehovah's Witnesses (about
    750) and political prisoners (200).
    Each category of prisoner
    seemed to possess a characteristic social profile. If we look at
    the distribution according to age upon committal to a camp, the
    Jehovah's Witnesses predominate in the somewhat older age group
    (from 35),
    and the homosexuals in the second somewhat younger one
    (20-35).
    Committal figures have regular curves, which are quite
    different for the three groups. For homosexuals the year 1942
    marks the peak (with a quarter of all committals), and for
    Jehovah's Witnesses the years 1937 and 1938 (half of all
    committals) are the peaks.
    The committal figures for the
    politicals remain at the same level, with a slight rise toward the
    year 1944. The death rate for homosexual prisoners (60 percent)
    was one and a half times as high as for political prisoners (41
    percent) and Jehovah's Witnesses (35 percent)
    .
    Some background
    variables, such as professional status, [continued after table
    20.1]

    TABLE 20.1
    Death Rate According to Category and Professional Status
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    Lower Lower Middle All
    Classes Middle and Above (%)
    (%) (%) (%)

    Homosexuals 54.6 52.6 50.1 53.0
    (328) (114) (219) (661)

    Jehovah's 34.5 36.6 34.6 34.7
    Witnesses (374) (52) (81) (507)

    Politicals 40.2 38.9 42.9 40.5
    (122) (18) (28) (168)
    -------------------------------------------------------------

    Note: Figures in parentheses are based on social groups of a
    prisoner category, insofar as its fate is known (dead, liberated,
    or released).

    marital status, and number of children, have been considered. Thus
    far, the individual variables tested do not cancel the connection
    between the victim group and the risk of death. Reading the many
    reports and asking the prisoners' committees (which still exist
    today) about the prisoners with the pink triangles, one repeatedly
    learns that they were there, but nobody can tell you anything about
    them. Quantitative analysis offers a sad explanation for the
    extraordinary lack of visibility: the individual pink-triangle
    prisoner was likely to live for only a short time in the camp and
    then to disappear from the scene.
    After four months, one in four
    had left; after a year, one in two. It was otherwise for the
    Jehovah Witnesses and politicals: after a year four out of five and
    two out of three, respectively, were still in the camp. This
    thinning out is due to deaths: three out of four deaths among the
    homosexuals occurred within the first year after their committal.
    In comparison with the red and violet triangles, the pink triangle
    seems to signify a category of less value.
    The destinies of Jews
    and homosexuals within the camp approximate each other. In the
    concentration camp, both groups found themselves at the bottom of
    the current hierarchy below the non-Jewish racially defined groups
    of prisoners.

    The collective devaluation of the wearers of certain triangles
    supports the idea of a connection between internal camp treatment
    of the marginal groups and the sociostructural control they were
    subjected to in society at large. With regard to the homosexuals,
    there were many reports of how the SS deliberately treated them
    brutally and how the other prisoners looked [
    continued after
    tables]

    TABLE 20.2
    Survival Rate According to Category and Marital Status
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Married Single, Divorced, Widowed
    (%) (%)

    Homosexuals 51.4 47.7
    (74) (451)
    Jehovah's 66.2 66.3
    Witnesses (361) (146)

    Politicals 65.4 52.4
    (81) (84)
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Note Figures in parentheses are based on social groups of a
    prisoner category, insofar as its fate is known (dead, liberated,
    or released).

    TABLE 20. 3
    Survival Rate According to Category and Number of Children
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    With Childless
    Children
    (%) (%)
    Homosexuals 56.6 49.2
    (69) (366)
    Jehovah's Witnesses 62.9 59.8
    (240) (179)
    Politicals 60.3 56.9
    (78) (72)
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    Note Figures in parentheses are based on social groups of a
    prisoner category, insofar as its fate is known (dead, liberated,
    or released).

    down upon them. This contrasts with reports stating that Jehovah's
    Witnesses were admired outside the camp
    or that politicals were
    full of respect for one another's activities.
    Analytical
    scientific literature also draws the connection between the
    prestige of a triangle and the treatment of the victim category
    concerned. Insofar as the pink triangle appears at all in the
    historical literature, the tendency is in the direction of
    antihomosexual prejudice. There is a tendency of the literature to
    associate the pink triangle with the criminal green
    . The few
    surviving pink-triangle wearers were treated similarly by state and
    society after 1945, when cautious attempts toward compensation were
    finally and definitely rejected
    .
    Interviews with such survivors
    revealed that for many years they never told anyone they had been
    in a concentration camp. The extreme devaluation was accepted as a
    self-evaluation.
    Gay interest groups arose again only in the
    1950s, and the movement as a whole took until the 19705 to return
    to the position it had held in 1932. Noticeably often, ex-wearers
    of the pink triangle report that they subsequently got
    married."(Berenbaum, 200-206)

    NOTES

    1. See my book Seminar: Gesellschaft und Homosexualitaet
    (Frankfurt am Main, i 1977), chap. 8, especially pp. 325-65. For
    some descriptive results, see my | article "The Pink Triangle: The
    Homosexual Males in Concentration Camps in Nazi Germany," Journal
    of Homosexuality 6 ( 1981):141-60. This is reprinted in Salvatore
    J. Licata and Robert P. Peterson, ed ., Historical Perspectives
    on a Homosexuality (New York, 1981).

    Work Cited

    Berenbaum, Michael, Ed. A Mosaic of Victims: Non-Jews Persecuted
    and Murdered by the Nazis. New York: New York University Press,
    1990


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    waiting

    http://www.utppublishing.com/detail.asp?titleID=2858

    Jehovah's Witnesses and the Third Reich
    Sectarian Politics under Persecution

    M. James Penton

    University of Toronto Press © 2004.

    6x9 / 420 pp / 10 halftones
    World Rights

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    Since the end of World War II, leaders of the Jehovah's Witness movement in both Germany and elsewhere have steadfastly argued that Witnesses were united in their opposition to Nazism and did not collude with the Third Reich. Documents have been uncovered, however, that prove otherwise. Using materials from Witness archives, the U.S. State Department, Nazi files, and other sources, M. James Penton demonstrates that while many ordinary German Witnesses were brave in their opposition to Nazism, their leaders were quite prepared to support the Hitler government.

    Penton begins his study with a close reading of the "Declaration of Facts" released by the Witnesses at a Berlin convention in June 1933. Witness leaders have called the document a protest against Nazi persecution, however closer examination shows it contained bitter attacks on Great Britain and the United States - jointly referred to as "the greatest and most oppressive empire on earth" - the League of Nations, big business, and above all, Jews, who are referred to as "the representatives of Satan the Devil."

    It was later, in 1933 - when the Nazis would not accept Witness blandishments - that leader J.F. Rutherford called on Witnesses to seek martyrdom by carrying on a campaign of passive resistance. Many ultimately died in prisons and concentration camps, and postwar Witness leaders have attempted to use this fact to assert that Jehovah's Witnesses stood consistently against Nazism.

    Drawing on his own Witness background and years of research on Witness history, Penton separates fact from fiction during this dark period.

    M. James Penton is a professor emeritus in the Department of History at the University of Lethbridge.

    This was sent to me by another xjw - sorry if it's a duplication. Sounds like a great book. All those Awake experiences from little old men and women on their horror experiences for being the "locals". Shamefully, those JW's in power stayed nice and clean....and alive.

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