Daniel Made Simple!

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  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    The Watchtower Society has published a lot of confusing nonsense on the book of Daniel (i.e. Bablyon the Great book, the Daniel book). Many dubs therefore see the prophetic parts of the book as an obtuse, mystery-filled vision of the future that can only be understood by those with Jehovah's spirit (tm), that is, the Governing Body (tm), who seem to be the only ones who understand the equally obtuse interpretations dispensed to the Flock as spiritual food (tm). It's really not that hard to understand. It's actually quite simple. Here is a webpage that explains the book better than anything else I've read.....

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    Summary

    Long popular with futurists, the little book of Daniel forms the cornerstone of the modern dispensationalist view of eschatology. The book makes numerous references to the "time of the end", a phrase that pre-millennial conservatives have been conditioned into equating with the soon-coming Apocalypse, and second return of Jesus Christ.

    But, is such a view warranted by the text? Is it possible to demonstrate that the author of Daniel had a different time in mind, once which casts serious doubt upon the claim of Biblical inerrancy?

    This article will adduce evidence, both internal and historical, to demonstrate that the era that the author of Daniel designated as the "time of the end" has long since past.

    Visions upon Visions

    Daniel is divided into two parts - the first six chapters contain legendary, third-person stories about the protagonist and his friends in Babylon. The remaining six chapters are written in the first person, and detail a series of visions that the author allegedly received, and which pertain to the end of time, as the author saw it.

    These visions follow a similar theme - a series of events are predicted, which lead up to the appearance of a despicable person, an evil king who will persecute and torture the Saints. This person will continue his reprehensible practices until he is dealt justice by God himself, who then inaugurates the Millennial kingdom, ruled over by the once-persecuted Saints.

    In order to answer the question of when the "time of the end" was supposed to take place, we need to be able to locate this person in history. As we shall see, he is not a future ruler, but is in fact an actual historical personage, one who had a great impact upon Jewish history.

    The Evil King

    This person, the focus of all of Daniel?s prophecies, is consistently described throughout the book. We are told that he is extremely arrogant, to the point of exalting himself as a god (7:20, 7:25, 8:11, 8:25, 11:36, 11:37). He will make war on the Holy (7:21, 7:25, 8:24, 9:26). He will profane the Temple and desolate Jerusalem (8:11, 9:26, 11:24, 11:31), and will abolish the daily sacrifices ands the Jewish Law (7:25, 8:11, 8:12, 8:13, 9:27, 11:31)

    As this article will demonstrate, this person was none other than Antiochus IV ?Epiphanes?, the Seleucid king of Syria from 175 to 164 BCE. By following Antiochus? career, we can further state that the author of Daniel intended the "time of the end" to be about 164/163 BCE, and that the book was in fact written at this time.

    In order to present the facts, it will first be necessary to briefly recount the actions of Antiochus, as it affected the Jews.

    Antiochus took the Seleucid throne in 175 BCE following the death of his brother, Seleucus IV. Although not of the royal line, Antiochus managed to secure the throne by subtlety, and, it was alleged, a number of suspicious murders. At about the same time, in Jerusalem, Jason deposed Onias III, the last of the Zadokite priests as the High Priest of the Temple. Jason was a Hellenist sympathizer, and began a campaign of reforms intended to introduce more Greek culture to the Jews. Part of these reforms involved the construction of a Greek gymnasium at Jerusalem, a project that was vehemently opposed by Jews faithful to the old Law.

    In 170 BCE, following a series on intrigues by various parties attempting to gain control of the High Priesthood, Onias was murdered, thus bringing to an end the line of Zadokite priests, considered by many Jews of the time to be the only legitimate priests. At about the same time, Antiochus began his first campaign against Ptolemy, the Greek king of Egypt. In 169 BCE, Antiochus plundered the Temple in Jerusalem on return from his Egyptian campaign. In 168 BCE, Antiochus launched a second campaign against Egypt, but was repulsed by a Roman army. Antiochus then ordered his general Apollonius to sack Jerusalem once again. Many Jews were massacred in the fighting, and the Greeks provided the ultimate insult by erecting an altar to Zeus in the Holy Place of the Temple, thus rendering the Temple profane, and unfit for use in Jewish eyes. At the same time, Antiochus issued an edit forbidding all the trappings of Jewish religion. The daily sacrifices were halted, circumcision was outlawed, and the reading of the Torah became a capital crime. This took place in 167 BCE, about 3 years after the murder of Onias III.

    The actions of Antiochus stirred a revolt in Jerusalem. Under the leadership of Judas Maccabee and his family, a band of guerillas harried the Greeks, and were eventually able to secure the Temple and rededicate it in 163/4 BCE (an event still celebrated by Jews today during the holiday of Hanukkah). The same year, Antiochus died on a campaign in Persia.

    Making the Case - The Ram and the Goat

    We will begin our analysis with the vision recorded in Daniel 8. Unlike some of Daniel?s other visions, this one removes much of the guesswork by actually naming the powers involved. We will show that this vision ?predicts? the rise of Antiochus, and further prophesies the ?time of the end? in the lifetime of the king.

    Briefly, the vision involves a Ram and a Goat. The Ram has two horns, the larger having come up last. The Goat has one large horn. Upon overcoming the Ram, the large horn of the goat shatters into four smaller ones. From one of these four horns, a smaller horn grows. This horn turns out to be the Evil king already considered.

    Fortunately for our analysis, an angel helpfully explains that the two horns of the Ram represent Media and Persia, the latter having arisen later (8:20). The large horn on the goat is the first King of Greece (8:21), obviously Alexander the Great. After his death, Alexander?s kingdom was divided among four of his generals (8:22). The angel goes on to explain that from one of these generals (Seleucus), at the end of the reign of the four kings, a powerful king will arise, who will cause much destruction (8:23ff). This king will be ?broken without human hand? (8:25).

    What can we learn from this study? Note firstly that the ?little horn? is said to magnify himself against the prince of the Host (i.e. the High Priest), and further causes the daily sacrifices to cease, and the sanctuary to be defiled (8:11). All of these actions, as we have seen, fit Antiochus perfectly. Note further that by following the progression of the kings, we arrive at the conclusion that the ?little horn? must be a Greek king. Again, Antiochus fits the bill.

    Since the angel states that this vision pertains to the end of time (8:17), it further follows that the author of Daniel intended for the End to come with the death of Antiochus. This conclusion is bolstered by several other lines of evidence.

    The Little Horn and the Four Beasts

    The vision of the seventh chapter follows the same pattern as the others, although in this case the time period is expanded. Daniel sees a succession of terrible beasts come out of the sea. The fourth beast is said to be more terrible and fierce than the others, and has ten horns. As Daniel was watching, a "little horn" came up and uprooted three of the others. This horn was arrogant and blasphemous, and made war with the Saints. He is said to change times and the Law (7:25).

    Once again an angel elucidates: the four beasts are four kingdoms, and the fourth will be the greatest of them all, but it will be judged and destroyed by the Ancient of Days, and his dominion given to the Saints of the Most High (7:26-27).

    This vision is obviously related to an earlier incident - that of Nebuchadnezzar?s dream in the second chapter. Like the interpretation of that dream, the vision of chapter seven represents four world-empires. The first, as explained in the second chapter, is Babylon. According to the author, Babylon fell to Darius the Mede (5:31), and thus we conclude that the second empire was Media. (This is historically inaccurate, more proof that the book of Daniel was not in fact written during the Exile, but much later). Support for this theory comes from 2:39, where the second kingdom is said to be ?inferior? to Babylon. The Persian empire was almost three times as large as the Babylonian, and lasted almost a hundred years longer. Persia could not be said to be inferior to Babylon, and thus cannot have been the second empire, as some allege.

    Taking our cue from the vision of chapter eight, we note that the author said that Persia followed Media (the larger horn of the Ram that came up later), and this therefore is the third kingdom. Again from chapter eight, Greece is said to follow Persia, and therefore we can equate the fourth beast with Greece. Note that in the dream vision in chapter two, the fourth kingdom is said to be of 'iron'. The fourth beast in chapter seven, explicitly identified with Greece in chapter eight, is similarly said to have 'iron' teeth.

    Once again, the ?little horn? is said to be of Greek descent. He is said to try and change the times (a reference to the daily sacrifices and annual feasts) and the (Jewish) Law. This ?little horn? is obviously the same ?little horn? of chapter eight - Antiochus.

    Laying it on the (Time)-Line

    Daniel 9 contains one of the most complicated and oft misinterpreted of all the visions. It lays out a sequence of seventy ?weeks? (understood by most commentators to be weeks of years, i.e. seven years each). The seventy weeks are divided into three periods (9:25-27), seven weeks (49 years), sixty-two weeks (434 years) and one week (7 years). The first two periods are terminated by an ?anointed one? (the literal meaning of the Hebrew mashiach).

    The seventy weeks are said to start with the ?word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem? (9:25). This ?word? is the ?word that came to Jeremiah? in 9:2. After predicting a period of seventy years servitude to Babylon (Jer 25:11-12), Jeremiah goes on to predict a return to Jerusalem, and the restoration of the city (Jer 29:10, 30:17-18, 31:38). Several internal pointers in the text of Jeremiah indicate that this prediction was made at the start of the Exile, about 586 BCE.

    This, then, is the starting point of Daniel?s timeline. The first seven ?weeks?, or 49 years, take us to about 536 BCE, when the first ?anointed one? appeared to destroy Babylon, and free the Jews from captivity. This may have been Cyrus (Isaiah 45:1), or, possibly, Daniel?s fictional creation, Darius the Mede.

    The author intended the next sixty-two weeks to take him to the year 171 BCE. Unfortunately, his calculations were a little off. This is really not surprising, given that there was no internationally recognized system of counting years at the time. Long time periods had to be calculated by synchronizing the reigns of various kings with known historical events, and adding up the intervening years. Obviously, this process was prone to error.

    How can we be so sure that the author intended 171 BCE to be the end of the second period? Quite simply because the ?prince that shall come? (9:26) is obviously Antiochus. Note once again that this prince is said to destroy the city and the sanctuary. (The word translated ?destroy? in the KJV also carries the connotation of ?corrupted? or ?defiled?. See Deut 31:29, for example.) Again, we are told that he will prohibit the sacrifices and offerings, and profane the Temple (9:27). All of these deeds, as we have already seen, were commited by Antiochus in 167 BCE.

    This year is significant. Note that the prince is said to begin these persecutions in the middle of the last week (9:27), that is 3 ½ years into Daniel?s seventieth week. Who, then, was the second Messiah, the one that was cut off at the end of the sixty-two weeks (9:26)? 3 ½ years back from 167 BCE takes us to about 170 BCE - close to the time that the last Zadokite priest, Onias, was murdered.

    One further point of correspondence - Daniel claims that the king will make a covenant with the Jews, and then break it in the middle of the last week. Josephus briefly makes mention of this event in his Antiquities:

    Now it came to pass, after two years, in the hundred forty and fifth year (i.e. 167 BCE), on the twenty- fifth day of that month which is by us called Chasleu?that the king came up to Jerusalem, and, pretending peace, he got possession of the city by treachery?and in order to plunder its wealth, he ventured to break the league he had made? (Antiquities, Book XII, 5:4)

    Since the vision allotted seventy weeks to seal up all prophecy, it follows that the author expected the ?time of the end? 3 ½ years from 167 BCE - sometime about 164/163 BCE. As we will see from an examination of the final vision, this also happens to be the about the time that the book of Daniel was actually written.

    North and South

    Daniel?s fourth and final vision is also the longest and most intricate. It spans three chapters of the book - 10, 11 and 12, although the most detailed section can be found in chapter 11.

    This section outlines, in sometimes tedious detail, the interactions and altercations between two ruling dynasties - represented by the "kings of the North" and the "kings of the South". The vision follows a familiar outline. Beginning with the Persian Empire (11:2), through Alexander the Great and his four generals (11:2-4), the vision then concentrates on two of these generals, the King of the South and the King of the North (11:5-6). These two kings were Seleucus, who took control of Syria in the North, and Ptolemy, who retained control of Egypt in the South.

    The Seleucid and Ptolemaic dynasties fought for centuries for control of the strategically placed land that lay between them - Palestine. Daniel?s vision provides a brief history of these struggles, and finally turns the spotlight on one of the Seleucid kings (11:21). He is said to be contemptible, a king not born of royal blood, who takes the throne by intrigue (11:21). The description of this king takes a familiar turn. He is said to commit bloodshed in the Holy Land (11:24). He profanes the Temple, and orders to daily sacrifices to cease. He sets up the "abomination that desolates" (11:31). This person, quite obviously, is Antiochus.

    While Daniel?s vision is suspiciously precise up to this point, it then begins to go strangely awry. We are told that a further altercation between the King of the South and Antiochus will result in victory for the Seleucid, who will then go on to take complete control of the Holy Land (11:40-43). However, the king?s good fortune is short lived. He dies, with no-one to aid him, between the Mediterranean Sea and Jerusalem (11:45).

    Verse 40 and following never happened. Instead, Antiochus died on a campaign in Persia, shortly before the Maccabean rebels regained control of Jerusalem. This section represents the author?s real predictions: the preceding was, in fact, prophecy after the fact, not prediction but, instead, real history. The fact that there is such a clear break between verifiable history and failed prophecy in this chapter allows us to date the book with remarkable precision: it was obviously written shortly before the death of Antiochus, in 163/164 BCE.

    Once more we are told that this vision pertains to the time of the end (10:14, 11:40). Once more we see that the author of Daniel equates the rise and fall of Antiochus with the end of age, to be followed by a time of great tribulation and the eventual vindication of God (12:1-3).

    Sealed Up

    On a number of occasions, Daniel is instructed to "seal up" the prophecy, as it was intended for the end of time. (See 8:26, 12:4,9) This is the clearest proof that the author of Daniel intended the "end of time" to occur in his own lifetime.

    How so? Quite obviously, the prophecies of Daniel have been unsealed, since they are known to us, and have been for millenia. In fact, we can point to a general time when these books were "unsealed".

    The earliest known manuscript of Daniel, from the Dead Sea Scrolls, is dated to 100 BCE. The earliest unequivocal reference to the Book is found in I Maccabees, dated to about 120 BCE. Prior to this, not a single known work of Jewish religion mentions the Book of Daniel. Even the third-century Wisdom of Sirach, which spends considerable time praising the great Jewish heroes, is strangely silent on the subject of Daniel.

    The conclusion is obvious. The prophecies of Daniel were "unsealed" sometime in the late second century, which, not coincidentally, is also the time that the book was written, as we have seen.

    The anonymous author of the Book of Daniel was faced with a problem. He had written a series of revelations, supposedly granted to a great Jewish hero during the Babylonian Exile. He now wanted to make his work public, but was aware that the very first question to be raised would address the years of silence. If God had granted these visions to Daniel four centuries earlier, why had they never come to light in the intervening years?

    The solution was to place an internal plot device in the text itself: the book was to be sealed, the angel said, until the time of the end. Since it would be obvious to any contemporary reader that the "time of the end" was now, the question of the centuries of silence was neatly answered.

    Conclusion

    Daniel forms the basis for much of the intense apocalyptic speculation and general crackpottery that is the hallmark of the fringe Christian Church. Conservative commentators from Jack Van Impe, to John Hagee, to Jerry Falwell point to Daniel as the key to understanding Biblical Eschatology.

    This is ironic, because, as we have seen, Daniel predicted the time of the end for the late second century BCE. Obviously Daniel?s prophecy failed, as have the countless predictions that followed. And, without any doubt, we may confidently state that any further predictions based on an interpretation of Daniel are doomed to fail. The house cannot stand if the foundations have rotted away.

    http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/bible/timeoftheend.shtml

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    I have my copy of SR Driver's Introduction to the Literature of the Old Testament . Here are some main reasons why Daniel dates to the period of Antiochus Epiphanes, 164-163 BC and not the Neo-Babylonian period:

    1. The position of the book in the Jewish canon, not among the Prophets but in the miscellaneous collection of late writings called the Hagiographa, and among the latest of these, in proximity to Esther. The division known as the Prophets was formed prior to the Hagiographa and had the book of Daniel existed at that time, it would have been ranked as a work of a prophet and included among the former.

    2. Jesus ben Sirach, writting c. 200 BC, in his enumeration of Israelite-Jewish worthies (ch. 44-50), mentions Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the twelve minor prophets, but is silent as to Daniel.

    3. The "Chaldeans" are synonymous in Daniel 1:4, 2:2, etc. with the caste of wise men. This sense is unknown in Assyrian-Babylonian usage but is characteristic of the Persian and Hellenistic periods.

    4. Belshazzar is represented as the "king" of Babylon, and Nebuchadnezzer is spoken throughout ch. 5 as his "father". In point of fact, Nabonidus was the last king of the Babylon; he was a usuper, not related to Nebuchadnezzer and his son was Belshazzar. The mistake Daniel makes is characteristic of a later period when the facts have been forgotten and not of someone personally acquainted with these individuals.

    5. Darius, son of Ahasuerus (Xerxes), a "Mede," after the death of Belshazzar is made "king over the realm of the Chaldeans" (5:31; 6:1; 9:1; 11:1), who in 6:1 organizes the empire into 120 satrapies and becomes sole ruler of the Babylonian empire (6:25), while in reality, Darius Hystaspis, who organized the Persian empire in satrapies, was the father, not the son, of Xerxes, and he reconquered Babylon in 521 and again in 515 BC, not in 535 BC as Daniel would have it. Again, this is a confusion arising from the passage of time and is hardly what someone witnessing the Fall of Babylon would claim.

    6. In 9:2 it is stated that Daniel "understood by the books [bsprym ]" the number of years according to Jeremiah that Jerusalem should lie waste. The expression used implies that the prophesies of Jeremiah formed part of the collection of sacred books which most likely had not formed by 536 BC.

    7. The number of Persian words in the book, especially in the Aramaic part, is remarkable (cf. prtmym "nobles" in Daniel 1:3 from Avestan fratema and Sanskrit prathema, and many others). That such words should be found in books written after the Persian empire was organized and when Persian influences prevailed, is not more than would be expected and should not at any rate have been used by Daniel under Babylonian supremacy.

    8. Not only does Daniel contain Persian words, but it contains at least three Greek words: qytrs < kitharos (3:5, 7, 10, 15), psntryn < psalterion (3:5, 7, 10, 15), and swmpnyh = symphonia (3:5, 15). The use of these three words fixes the date of the historical portions of Daniel after the time of Alexander the Great, and the use of symphonia to refer to a "musical instrument" is even later.

    9. The Aramaic of Daniel is a Western Aramaic dialect of the type spoken in Palestine, known from inscriptions dating to 3rd cent. BC to the 2nd cent. AD and also of the Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan.

    10. The Hebrew of Daniel resembles that of the age subsequent to Nehemiah, containing many words otherwise known from rabbinical Hebrew (sp. the Mishnah), or common only to the Mishnah and Ezra, Chronicles, Nehemiah, Esther.

    11. The theology of the book of Daniel points to a later age than that of the exile. The doctrines of the Messiah ("the Son of Man"), of angels, of the resurrection, and of a judgment on the world, are taught with greater distinctiveness and in a more developed form than elsewhere in the OT, with features approximating to those met with in the earlier parts of 1 Enoch, c. 100 BC and the Dead Sea Scrolls. (200 BC - AD 50).

    12. The interest of the book manifestly culminates in the relations subsisting between the Jews and Antiochus Epiphanes. Antiochus is the subject of 8:9-14, 23-25. The survey of Syrian and Egyptian history of the Seleucids in ch. 11 leads up to a detailed description of Antiochus' reign in v. 21-45 and then the persecution which the Jews experienced at his hands. It is incredible for a 6th century prophet living in the Neo-Babylonian period should display no interest in the welfare, or prospects of his contemporaries, that his hopes and Messianic visions should not attach themselves to the imminent return of the exiles to the land of their fathers but to a deliverance in the distant, remote future. It is also remarkable that these prophecies of the remote future in Daniel are so minute in detail with regard to Antiochus' reign, down to the period of his persecution where actual events are decribed with surprising distinctness (unlike prophecies of the remote future in Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah), yet suddenly at this point the distinctness ceases and the prophecy shifts into an ideal representation of the Messianic future. Daniel's perspective, then, is of someone writing in the midst of the persecution itself, and views the Messianic Age as following closely on the heels of the Antiochean persecution -- a fulfillment that does not in fact come to pass. This fact fixes the date of the book to c. 164-163 BC.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    The Watchtower Society, in its various publications including the recent Daniel book, interprets the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 as a prophecy predicting the arrival of Jesus Christ as the Messiah in AD 29. Their exegesis follows the standard evangelical interpretation that treats the 70 weeks as 490 years, commencing in Artaxerxes' 20th year of 455 BC when the Persian king agreed to help rebuild Jerusalem (Nehemiah 2:1-20) and ending in AD 36. According to Daniel 9:25, "the coming of Messiah the Prince" would occur after "seven weeks and sixty-two weeks," that is, 69 weeks or 483 years. In other words, it would occur a week (or 7 years) before the completion of the 70 weeks. Seven years less from AD 36 would place the Messiah's appearance at AD 29. This is just the year that Luke 3:1-3, 15 appears to fix as the first year of Jesus' ministry. Pretty, neat, huh? And what was supposed to happen in the final week? The Society says (chapter 11 of the Daniel book):

    What was to be accomplished during the 70th week? Gabriel said that the period of "seventy weeks" had been determined "in order to terminate the transgression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, and to bring in righteousness for times indefinite, and to imprint a seal upon vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies." For this to be accomplished, "Messiah the Leader" had to die. When? Gabriel said: "After the sixty-two weeks Messiah will be cut off, with nothing for himself.... And he must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease." (Daniel 9:26a, 27a) The critical time was "at the half of the week," that is, the middle of the last week of years.

    Jesus Christ's public ministry began in the latter part of 29 C.E. and lasted for three and a half years. As prophesied, early in 33 C.E., Christ was "cut off" when he died on a torture stake, giving his human life as a ransom for mankind. (Isaiah 53:8; Matthew 20:28) The need for the animal sacrifices and the gift offerings prescribed by the Law ceased when the resurrected Jesus presented the value of his sacrificed human life to God in heaven. Although the Jewish priests continued to make offerings until the destruction of Jerusalem's temple in 70 C.E., such sacrifices were no longer acceptable to God. They had been replaced by a better sacrifice, one that never had to be repeated. The apostle Paul wrote: "[Christ] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually ... For it is by one sacrificial offering that he has made those who are being sanctified perfect perpetually."-Hebrews 10: 12, 14.

    Though sin and death continued to afflict mankind, Jesus' being cut off in death and his resurrection to heavenly life fulfilled prophecy. It 'terminated transgression, finished off sin, made atonement for error, and brought in righteousness! God had removed the Law covenant, which had exposed and condemned the Jews as sinners.

    In other words, it is "Messiah the Prince" himself who ended sacrifice and gift offerings through his death, atoning once and all for sin, and making God remove the Law covenant from the Jewish people.

    However, this is a gross misinterpretation of the passage in Daniel. Throughout the apocalyptic portion of the book, including this chapter, the end to perpetual sacrifice and daily oblations came not through a promised Messiah but the great enemy of the Jewish people, the man who inspired the Christian myth of the Antichrist --- Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

    As described in the first post of this thread, each of the visions in ch. 7-12 (as well as the statue dream in ch. 2) describe the same thing -- world history from the time of the Neo-Babylonian and Medo-Persian empires down through the life of Alexander the Great and his Seleucid and Ptolemaic successors, culminating in the career of Antiochus Epiphanes who waged war against the Judean province, replaced Jewish religious practices with pagan Greek ones (including installing an idol of Zeus in the Temple), claimed in fact to be a god himself, and persecuted those who resisted him. This occurred between 169 to 164 BC -- with the period of intense persecution and cessation of Temple sacrifice lasting 3 1/2 years. Daniel was most likely written between December 164 BC (when the Temple cult was restored) and April 163 BC (when Antiochus IV was killed not in an expected war with Judah but on a foreign excursion).

    Thus in ch. 2, we have explicit reference to the Babylonian kingdom, two kingdoms that follow (the Medes and the Persians), a fourth kingdom of IRON of Alexander the Great that conquered all the other kingdoms, followed with it being split into the Seleucids and Ptolemies (the feet of earth iron and clay). It is during "the time of these kings" that God would destroy the kingdom and set up his own everlasting kingdom in its place (2:43-44). Then in the vision of the four beasts in ch. 7, we again encounter the same kingdoms. The fourth kingdom is even described in similar terms as having "great IRON teeth" (7:7) that "crushed and trampled" all the other kingdoms, and it had ten horns on its head representing ten kings (the Seleucids and Ptolemies) that followed Alexander with the last king, the "little horn" being described as "different from the previous ones ... he is going to speak words against the Most High, and harass the saints of the Most High. He will consider changing seasons and the Law, and the saints will be put into his power for a time, two times, and a half a time," and also having "a mouth that was full of boasts" (7:19-27) -- a clear unmistakable reference to Antiochus. And again, the divine kingdom would appear immediately after stripping power from him and "utterly destroying" him (v. 26-27). Then in ch. 8 we encounter the vision of the ram and he-goat. The ram represented the Medes and Persians (with the Medes and Persians distinguished by the "two horns", cf. 8:20) and the he-goat represented the Greeks, with the "one majestic horn" representing Alexander the Great. Then the horn snaps and "in its place sprouted four majestic horns, pointing to the four winds of heaven" (v. 8) -- alluding to the division of Alexander's kingdom among his four generals, a division previously mentioned in 2:41. And from one of these four horns "sprang a horn which grew to great size towards south and east and towards the Land of Splendour [Judea]. It grew right up to the armies of heaven ... and trampled them underfoot. It even challenged the power of that army's Prince; it abolished the perpetual sacrifice and overthrew the foundation of his sanctuary, and the army too; it put iniquity on the sacrifice and flung truth to the ground". If there is any doubt that the same person, Antiochus, is meant here, v. 13-14 goes on to refer to a 3 1/2 year period in which daily sacrifice would be ceased ("two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings"). In the interpretation of the vision, we read more about the evil of this man: "He will plot incredible schemes, he will destroy powerful men and the people of the saints...He will grow arrogant of heart, take many unawares and destroy them" (8:24-25).

    Finally, in ch. 10-12, we encounter the great vision of the time of wrath, and the events leading from the time of Alexander the Great to the career of Antiochus Epiphanes is so exquisitely detailed that there can be no doubt at all that Antiochus Epiphanes is the tyrant mentioned. Much of it is paralleled by the other visions. In 11:3-4, we read that "a mighty king will rise and reign over a vast empire and do whatever he pleases. But once he has come to power his empire will be broken up and parcelled out to the four winds of heaven," obviously referring again to Alexander and the creation of the Seleucid and Ptolemy kingdoms of the North and South. Then v. 5-20 describe the conflicts between the two kingdoms of Syria and Egypt, mentioning such figures as Ptolemy I Soter and Seleucus I Nicator in v. 5, the alliance of Antiochus II Theos and Ptolemy II Philadelphios in v. 6, Seleucus III Ceraunus and Antiochus III the Great in v. 10, and the various wars and conflicts with their successors in v. 10-20, with Lucius Cornelius Scipio as the "captain" in v. 18 and Helidorus, treasurer of Seleucus IV Philopator (cf. 2 Maccabees 3) as the "exactor" of v. 20. Then the "wretch" of Antiochus IV Epiphanes appears in v. 21. And we are again treated to an exquisite description of his career in v. 21-44. Importantly, the account states:

    "Forces of his will come and profane the sanctuary citadel; they will abolish the perpetual sacrifice and install the disastrous abomination there....The king will do as he pleases, growing more and more arrogant, considering himself greater than all the gods; he will utter incredible blasphemies against God of gods" (11:31, 36).

    The text also mentions again that the abolition of perpetual sacrifice and the "disastrous abomination" would last for 1,290 days and the persecution for 1,335 days -- again about 3 1/2 years (12:11-12). And just as in the previous visions, God's kingdom appears exactly during his tenure and brings his life to an end (11:45-12:1). It is then that Michael the "Prince" will be enthroned, followed by the resurrection of the saints from death (12:2). This never happened. Most likely, the apocalypse was written before the death of Antiochus, as his last campaign mentioned in 11:45 never happened.

    This review of the visions shows they generally follow the same events but describe them differently in symbolic language. Now we come to the apocalypse of the 70 weeks, and lo and behold! it describes exactly the same thing. The text is as follows:

    "Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city, for putting an end to transgression, for placing the seals on sin, for expiating crime, for introducing everlasting integrity, for setting the seal on vision and on prophecy, for anointing the Holy of Holies. Know this, then, and understand: From the time the message went out to return and rebuild Jerusalem, to the coming of an anointed Prince [e.g. Messiah the Prince], seven weeks [e.g. 49 years]. And sixty-two weeks [e.g. 434 years] with squares and ramparts restored and rebuilt, but in a time of trouble. And after these sixty-two weeks, an anointed one will be cut off, and it will not be for him. The city and the sanctuary will [then] be destroyed by [forces of] a Prince who will come. His end will come in catastrophe and, until the end, there will be war and all the devastation decreed. He will make a firm covenant with many for the space of a week; and for the space of one half-week [3 1/3 years] he will put a stop to sacrifice and oblation, and on the wing of the Temple will be put the disastrous abomination until the end, when doom will be assigned to the devastator" (Daniel 9:24-27; JB).

    In the Society's interpretation in the Daniel book, the "anointed Prince" (translated in the NWT as "Messiah the Leader"), "an anointed one," and "a Prince who will come" are all treated as the same person. Thus, it is the "anointed Prince" who is predicted to arrive right on time after the 69 weeks, it is the "anointed one" who will be killed (which they refer to as the execution of Jesus), and it is the "Prince who will come" who ceases the sacrifices of the Mosaic Law through his own death.

    But this interpretation flatly contradicts the context of the passage. First of all, they interpret the "seven weeks" as referring to the time between the decree was sent out on rebuilding Jerusalem (455 BC) until the time the work on the Temple was completed. But nothing in this passage mentions the completion of the Temple. Thus they smuggle the time of the completion of the Temple into the text as the terminus of the first 7-week period (49 years). Rather, the passage plainly states that the span is between the sending out of the message to return and rebuild Jerusalem and "the coming of an anointed Prince." It is afterwards, during the period of the 62 weeks, that "squares and ramparts" are "restored and rebuilt". The Society instead lumps together the 7 and the 62 weeks so that the "anointed Prince" arrives after the 62 weeks. But the passage clearly goes on to say that "after these sixty-two weeks, an anointed one will be cut off". The second mention of the 62 weeks clearly suggests that this is a different "anointed one" who arrives a full 434 years after the earlier "anointed Prince"! And note that the text does not say that he is "cut off" midway through the last week. This notion is borrowed from a third personage in the vision, the "Prince who will come" who obviously cannot be the same individual as the "anointed one" since the "anointed one" had already died. More importantly, the reference to the "one half-week" does not indicate the time at which the ?cutting off? occurs; rather it indicates the duration of time when sacrifice and oblations have ceased -- commencing "mid-way" through the week and ending at the end of the last week. This is the same period of 3 1/2 years mentioned elsewhere throughout the book:

    "He will consider changing seasons [i.e. seasonal festivals] and the Law, and the saints will be put into his power for a time, two times, and half a time" (7:25)
    "How long is this vision to be -- of perpetual sacrifice, disastrous iniquity, of sanctuary and army trampled underfoot? The first replied, 'Until two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings have gone by, then the sanctuary shall have its rights restored" (8:13, 14).
    "From the moment that the perpetual sacrifice is abolished and the disastrous abomination erected: one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he who stands form and attains a thousand three hundred and thirty-five days" (12:1-12).

    Yet the Society (or anyone else proposing the Christian interpretation) does not hold Jesus? death ended the Law for only 3 1/2 years, despite the plain meaning of the text. Rather, the release from the Law is thought by Christians to be everlasting. But the ignorance of the context is most grave in identifying the one ceasing sacrifice and oblation with Jesus Christ. Clearly it is the same person, the "Prince who is to come" after the death of the "anointed one", who brings "war", "devastation", and installs "the diastrous abomination" at the Temple....who is similarly said throughout Daniel to "put a stop to sacrifice and oblation"....Antiochus Epiphanes! Remember the passage from the Great Vision:

    "Forces of his will come and profane the sanctuary citadel; they will abolish the perpetual sacrifice and install the disastrous abomination there" (11:31)

    It couldn't be any plainer. Yet the Society wants to take an apocalyptic narrative written about this monster, and apply it to Jesus Christ! As it is, the Watchtower interpretation takes the "Prince who is to come" to be the Roman general Titus who destroys Jerusalem in AD 70, and regards v. 27 as a prophecy of the events of that year. Yet it is clear that one who "makes a firm covenant" and "puts a stop to sacrifice and oblation" is not the "anointed one" way back in the beginning of v. 26 but the same individual whose forces "destroy (that is, "defile" in the original Hebrew) the city and the sanctuary".

    So who is the "anointed one" who is cut off? Note that the New World Translation renders the word as "Messiah" which is misleading. Hebrew msych has a special sense referring to a single coming deliverer of the Jewish people, but more generally it refers to any "anointed one" -- particularly to kings, priests, and especially the high priest. See, for instance, Leviticus 4:3, 5, 16, 6:15; 1 Samuel 2:10, 35. More relevant to Daniel is the Hasmonaean history of 2 Maccabees 1:10 which is addressed to "Aristobulus, tutor to King Ptolemy and one of the family of anointed priests (khriston iereon)," which uses the Greek equivalent khristos in the same sense to refer to priests as "anointed". Also note v. 24 which refers to "anointing the Holy of Holies" -- a clear reference to either the re-establishment of the high priests who alone were permitted access to the Holy of Holies (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:13), or the altar itself to which only the high priests had access.

    As for who the "anointed one" that is cut off in Daniel 9:26, note that his death is mentioned in connection with the pillaging of the Jerusalem sanctuary "by a prince who is to come" who "will put a stop to sacrifice and oblation" (v. 26-27), an obvious reference to Antiochus Epiphanes as argued above (cf. especially the parallel history in ch. 10-11). Indeed, in the parallel history we read in Daniel 11:22 there is a similar allusion to this priest: "Armies will be utterly routed and crushed by him [Antiochus], the prince of the covenant too". The only "anointed" person this fits is Onias III who was deposed in 175 BC and assassinated by supporters of Antiochus as described in 2 Maccabees 4:30-38. He was the last of the line of Zadokite priests and left no successor. This is what is probably meant by the words "and it will not be for him" or "none will be left to him" in v. 26 which is rendered in several translations as an allusion to the lack of a successor:

    "At the end of the sixty-two weeks, the Chosen Leader will be killed and left with nothing (Or, "no one to take his place")." (Daniel 9:26; CEV)
    "And after threescore and two weeks shall the anointed be cut off, and there shall be none to succeed him." (Daniel 9:26; HSH)
    "After sixty-two times seven weeks, Messiah shall be slain, and the city shall be without a ruler." (Daniel 9:26; LBP)
    "Finally after sixty-two weeks of years, the consecrated priest shall be cut off, leaving no successor" (Daniel 9:26; MNT)
    "And at the end of the times, after sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be cut off, leaving none to succeed him" (Daniel 9:26; SGAT)

    The interpretation of Onias III as the "anointed one" who is cut-off goes at least as far back as Theodotian (c. AD 180), and is generally accepted by biblical scholars. Those who interpret v. 27 as referring to Jesus' ministry is not only inconsistent (Jesus did not "confirm a covenant with many for one week (=7 years)") but also ignores the obvious context designating the subject as the wicked Antiochus himself.

    The chronology on which the Jesus interpretation is based is also faulty. First of all, the decrees mentioned in Ezra 7 and Nehemiah contain no command whatsoever "to restore and build Jerusalem." The chapter itself suggests that the "word to return and rebuild Jerusalem" is the same that in v. 2 was "revealed by Yahweh to the prophet Jeremiah" relating to when "the successive devastations of Jerusalem would come to an end" (Daniel 9:2). Second, in the 490 years ending supposedly with the crucifixion, the first 49 ("seven weeks") are distinguished from those that follow ("sixty-two years"), their close being marked by a break, as though some epoch was signaled by it. The evangelical and Witness interpretation glosses over this distinction and refers simply to 69 weeks of years (with the Witnesses smuggling in the completion of the Temple as the terminus of the first 49 years). But the two time periods seem to be separated by "the coming of an anointed Prince" in v. 25. The generally accepted interpretation among Bible critics is that in c. 587 BC: "the command" (lit., "word") of rebuilding Jerusalem was given by Jeremiah (in 31:38ff). Then 49 years pass until the Anointed Prince, Cyrus (cf. Isaiah 45:1; 44:28), or Daniel's Darius the Mede, in 536 BC ushers in the epoch during which "squares and ramparts are restored and rebuilt, but in a time of trouble". This lasts until the end of the sixty-two weeks, when a restored Jerusalem is depressed by the "time of trouble" in the conflicts between the Seleucids and Ptolemies described in exquisite detail in Daniel 10-11. Then an anointed one is "cut off" "after the sixty-two weeks" (v. 26) and then, after this, Antiochus, the "prince who is to come", will bring war and for one week will make Jews renounce the covenant (cf. 1 Maccabees 1:21, 43, 52; 2 Maccabees 4:10f), and for a half-week (3 1/2 years, the same time period in Daniel 12:7, 11-12) would "put a stop to sacrifice and oblation" and install the "disastrous abomination" (cf. Daniel 11:31, 12:11; 1 Maccabees 1:54). This is a big clue that the cutting-off of the anointed priest comes 3 1/2 years before the events of 167 BC. That places the "cutting-off" of Onias III in 171-170 BC, a "half week" before the cessation of sacrifice in 167 BC. Then, 3/12 years later, in December 164 BC, the Temple is restored.

    The biggest problem with the historical interpretation of the 70 weeks, however, is that the period from 538 BC to 172 BC is 366 years only, not 434 (=62 weeks). To this, it should probably be unreasonable to insist that the author of Daniel had an accurate knowledge of the chronology of the Persian and Seleucid period, and there is the significance of the symbolic number 70 which suggests that the concern was not for accurate history but symbolism. Remember, the 70 weeks of years is based on the pre-existing 70 years prophesied by Jeremiah that the author alludes to in the beginning of ch. 9. Furthermore, the period of 490 is separately suggested by the Jubilee chronologies in which 490 years amounts to 10 jubilee cycles. In a further post in this thread, I will bring in a wealth of Second Temple apocalyptic material to show that other writers mentioned such a period of 490 years that is sometimes specified as starting or ending at the same terminus -- the time the First Temple was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzer's army.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Leo,

    This really did it for me:

    7. The number of Persian words in the book, especially in the Aramaic part, is remarkable (cf. prtmym "nobles" in Daniel 1:3 from Avestan fratema and Sanskrit prathema, and many others). That such words should be found in books written after the Persian empire was organized and when Persian influences prevailed, is not more than would be expected and should not at any rate have been used by Daniel under Babylonian supremacy.

    8. Not only does Daniel contain Persian words, but it contains at least three Greek words: qytrs < kitharos (3:5, 7, 10, 15), psntryn < psalterion (3:5, 7, 10, 15), and swmpnyh = symphonia (3:5, 15). The use of these three words fixes the date of the historical portions of Daniel after the time of Alexander the Great, and the use of symphonia to refer to a "musical instrument" is even later.

    9. The Aramaic of Daniel is a Western Aramaic dialect of the type spoken in Palestine, known from inscriptions dating to 3rd cent. BC to the 2nd cent. AD and also of the Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan.

    10. The Hebrew of Daniel resembles that of the age subsequent to Nehemiah, containing many words otherwise known from rabbinical Hebrew (sp. the Mishnah), or common only to the Mishnah and Ezra, Chronicles, Nehemiah, Esther

    I mean you can't really argue against this too sucessfully.

    About 6 months ago I read similar information, once I did I knew the book wasn't written as early as the WT said it was. Thanks for the info I hope some read this so that they can avoid wasting lot of time trying to find a application for "Daniel's" prophecies today.

  • Corvin
    Corvin

    You call that, "Daniel Made Simple"? lol jk

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Corvin....Well, the article I led this thread off with does a fantastic job in explaining what the book of Daniel is all about, and it really is a lot simpler than it looks, because the whole book is really just about one thing.... that the terror of Antiochus Epiphanes is about to come to an end and the glorious Messianic kingdom is about to break through at any moment. Every vision is about the same thing and even the historical parts liken the present tyranny and persecution with that that Daniel lived through under Babylonian rule. The martyred saints who kept their faith through persecution are like those the Babylonian king threw into the lion's den or into the fiery furnace. And the promise is that Antiochus, like Belshazzar, has his days numbered and will be overthrown at any moment.

    It is a spectacular failed prophecy. And like the Watchtower Society, ppl ever since have tried to rationalize the failure and change the interpretations to fit current circumstances. It is an object lesson in the failure to predict the future, and of just how long ppl have been waiting for this so-called "paradise" to appear.

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    Yeah - if a Bible prophecy doesn't have a complete fulfillment, then to some folks it means that "well there is a greater fulfillment yet to come."

    CZAR

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    czarofmischief.....I know what you mean. In the Daniel book (published 1999), the Society make a big hullabaloo about how the kings in the vision "change identities" and how new kingdoms and rulers take on the "role" of the King of the North, etc. Of course, there is nothing at all in the vision narrative itself that signals a shift in identities. Instead this is something that is imposed on the text from outside, in order to make it fit individuals and kingdoms later than Antiochus Epiphanes. To be fair, this hermeneutic mistake was a mainstay of Protestant (and of course Adventist) interpretation. The Hebrew philologist S. R. Driver comments as follows: "Some of the older interpreters supposed that at v. 36 there was a transition from Antiochus to the future Antichrist. But whatever typical significance may attach to the whole character of Antiochus, it can hardly be legitimate, in a continuous description, with no apparent change of subject, to refer part to the type and part to the antitype. Such a transition is 'wholly unfounded and arbitrary' (Westcott)." (p. 497) However the WTS current interpretation is even more extreme: instead of one change of subject, the Society has posited a half dozen changes in identity, with no basis other than mere stipulation.

  • seattleniceguy
    seattleniceguy

    Wow. That is awesome. Thanks for your incredible research. Up until this point, the "70 weeks of years" prophecy had been the only one that stood up to rational challenge, given the tools I had at hand (mainly just logic), and I had been fine with just chalking it up to a lucky guess, but of course that's unlikely given the nature of the rest of the book. Your explanation makes brilliant sense. I hope some of the lurkers here take the time to read and think about this.

    SNG

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Leo

    Great info, concisely put. Daniel for dummies.

    S

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