Religion..

by Sassy 37 Replies latest members private

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    I "searched" for several years after leaving the Borg then gave up. My expectation at that time was to find a religion that was consistant, reasnoable and inclusive as apposed to contradictory, producing cognitive dissonance and anti-science. Years later, after ceasing to "search" one found me and rather than fill some need for spirituality, it required a lot of my input. Not what I was expecting, but refreshing.

    Hope you are able to deal with the angst and If I were you I'd take a long vacation from religion so that you can be less subjective..

    cheers,

    carmel

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan
    Do you find that you are turned off by religion?

    Yeah, when it's a self-righteous look-at-how-saved-I-am showy display like it is for many religious people, in my opinion. Ugh, like my pentecostal ex-brother-in-law, what a religious moron.

    But there are some religious people who are beautiful, even some JW's. I am not a fifth of the quality of such people.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Mmmmm - "Fifth" !!!!

  • codeblue
    codeblue

    Sassy:

    What you are feeling is totally "normal"...I feel much the same way as you do.

    "Religion is a snare and a racket"....has nothing to do with "spirituality"...

    I am a little burnt out on "religion" as well...I would much rather see people that actively show love to people instead of having a religious label placed on them.

    Taking a "time out" is quite ok...to get your bearings....

    Codeblue

  • Markfromcali
    Markfromcali

    I just got back from a meditation retreat, and I got some lunch at Bubba's Diner - where they state on the menu that they just try to make friends one meal at a time, and discussion of politics and religion are $10 up front.

    Whether it's politics, religion, philosophy or whatever - these are all just thought systems. What I'm interested in is people who live an authentic life, and whether that includes any particular world view is secondary, and frankly those views are barely of interest to me. Of course this doesn't mean you necessarily agree with them or even like them, but you can't deny that there is something to someone who just walks the walk as they say. And this isn't the old 'applying bible principle' BS, it doesn't come from a thought at all. You have probably seen atleast a small glimpse of this, someone that is so fully engaged with life that they don't try to make it into something an idea says it should be, they are too busy living, if only for a moment.

    During my retreat when I had interviews with these teachers they mostly wanted to 'encourage' me to meditate more and better because they see some potential, but the difference between me and them is I don't have this belief that meditation is the sh!t - my deepest experiences come effortlessly on their own, this particular time it was mostly from being in nature, and even when it wasn't it sure as hell wasn't from doing things the way it is 'supposed' to be done. If anything, I would have to say whole heartedly that religious attitude holds people back from their spiritual development - however you might understand that word.

    This is why I appreciate it when there's someone asking on the board about becoming a JW or being an active one, and the answer is not at all derogatory or pressuring in any way. This to me is the smartest attitude, because you are not responding to the pressure of a mental prison with more pressure, even if the intent is to free them. The response itself is that you are free to choose, and under the right circumstances the person can just relax and be like "oh, it's up to me." This doesn't mean you don't share any pertinent information you might have, but the attitude is wise in that you've in effect pointed out they are free, it IS up to them. Even if they are still confused and pressured, that is the beginning.

    Here is a poem I've posted here before on more than one occasion, so I will just post a link. It is The Journey by Mary Oliver: (the page was just found with a Google search)

    http://www.breakoutofthebox.com/journey.htm

  • El Kabong
    El Kabong

    My opinion on the matter is that all Religion is BULL!!

    It took me time to come to that conclusion after leaving the borg. To me, religion isn't about God, it's all about money. (The other God).

    I guarantee, at the very top layer of any religion you will find a very rich man.

  • Ciara
    Ciara

    Wow-

    I guess I didn't know that I was in such a minority here.

    I went through quite a while that I wanted nothing to do with religion at all. I thought that all religion was basically a "snare and a racket". Then I got involved with the man I'm married to now and we started discussing the bible a little (my JW brainwashing was still taking over, I'm afraid).

    We now attend an independant baptist church and I really enjoy it. They don't cram things down my throat or force their own legalistic viewpoints on me. I was saved and baptised recently. It's wonderful not to feel trapped anymore.

    Ciara

  • Markfromcali
    Markfromcali

    Ciara, I'm glad you found a church that is not overbearing, and this is why I usually qualify using phrases like the religious attitude as opposed to just religion. Clearly not all religion is so legalistic and overbearing, but it appears those churches are in a minority too. I used to live next door to a non-denominational pastor who actually didn't like talking about doctrine, because he said he found it separates people more than anything. He just related to me from his own personal experience, and even as I was still a JW I was quite impressed with his sincerity and just how real he is. We can use more people like him, religious or not.

  • WildTurkey
    WildTurkey

    The intelligent person strives to know "God," rather than settling for childish and naive belief in another's interpretation of a formless divinity. And, I believe knowing is science. There is no god person who needs your belief or defense. Indeed, the only "blasphemy" is treating real, living human beings like pathetic, born-in-sin pieces of garbage while exalting an invisible and imaginary giant man in the sky. There is certainly nothing righteous in this behavior.

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    I can assure you that when I'm finally rid of this WTBTS, I'll never ever join another religious organization!

    DY

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