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  • Soledad
    Soledad
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/10/national/10MLK.html?pagewanted=print&position=
    May 10, 2004

    Honor for Dr. King Splits Florida City, and Faces Reversal

    By ABBY GOODNOUGH

    Z EPHYRHILLS, Fla., May 8 ? It is a languid, pretty street lined with fat orange trees and live oaks, buzzing lawn mowers, an occasional picket fence. It runs clear through town, ambling over the railroad tracks and ending at a pasture full of cows.

    Its new name, Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue, has been tearing Zephyrhills apart.

    Last October, Irene Dobson, a black woman, asked the City Council to rename the street for Dr. King, as hundreds of places have done since his death in 1968. The Council voted 4 to 1 on Oct. 27 to honor her request and ordered new signs for the street that had been Sixth Avenue.

    The protests quickly began. A petition to recall the council members arose, along with another to overturn the decision. Sixth Avenue residents said that the Council had railroaded the plan without consulting them and that they did not want the bother of changing their addresses. A business owner told local newspapers that property values would fall, saying streets named after Dr. King were a guarantee of economic blight.

    Their battle mirrors dozens that have erupted around the country over plans to rename streets for Dr. King, but with a twist: on Monday, the City Council is to finalize a reversal of its vote and remove Dr. King's name. The decision would put Zephyrhills among only a handful of cities that have put up street signs bearing Dr. King's name, then taken them down because of community uproar. Accusations of racism are swirling, supporters of the name change are picketing City Hall, and a white supremacist Web site is praising the Council's change of heart.

    Virtually all of the protesters are white, as are most of the 11,000 people who live in Zephyrhills, which is 35 miles northeast of Tampa and known for the bottled spring water that carries its name, with the slogan "Pure Water from a Pure Place." Most of the roughly 100 people who signed Mrs. Dobson's petition requesting the name change are black. Many, like her, live near Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue on the other side of the train tracks, outside the city limits. But most residents of the renamed street are white.

    Bitterness is everywhere: in the Crystal bar, where customers rolled their eyes when asked about the name change; in a driveway on Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue, where four men socializing after work said they had been robbed of their voice; and in front of City Hall, where Mae Pickett, waving a sign supporting the renaming, said the rift reminded her of 1967, when she and other black students joined whites at Zephyrhills High School instead of being bused to nearby Dade City.

    "It's 2004 and we're still fighting for respect," said Ms. Pickett, who was among about 20 protesters at Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue and Eighth Street on Thursday afternoon. "They've put out all these excuses about the process not followed, but it's racism, plain and simple."

    Just as emotional are those who fought the name change, or silently questioned it, and say they have been unfairly maligned.

    "We're just kind of sick about the thing and wish it would go away," said Cullen E. Smith Jr., whose family has been here for six generations and whose son, Lance, was one of the City Council members who voted for the renaming. Cullen Smith said he would have preferred to name the street after Abraham Lincoln, who he said had done "more for the black people than just about anybody."

    "We're being portrayed as a racist little town, but I don't think they've really understood the heart of Zephyrhills," Mr. Smith said.

    Derek Alderman, a geography professor at East Carolina University who has studied the politics of naming streets for Dr. King, said at least 650 streets have been given his name in at least 41 states, often not without controversy.

    Most of the streets are in the South, in places where the population is at least 30 percent black. Georgia, Dr. King's birthplace, has the most, Dr. Alderman said. Many run mostly through black neighborhoods, he said, often because efforts to name a central thoroughfare for Dr. King fail.

    "The second choices are often not the most prominent, the most healthy streets," Dr. Alderman said.

    San Diego's decision to rename a major thoroughfare, Market Street, for Dr. King in 1986 was so unpopular that residents got an initiative on the ballot a year later to change the name back, and won. And in 1979, the Alabama Legislature repealed a 1976 resolution naming a section of an Interstate highway after Dr. King.

    But far more common, Dr. Alderman said, is for a city to scrap contentious plans to rename a street well before new signs go up. That happened last year in Muncie, Ind., and more recently in Portsmouth, N.H., which decided to name a park for Dr. King instead.

    Here, as elsewhere, most opponents of the renaming who are willing to talk publicly say that they are not racist and that their concerns are purely pragmatic. Residents of the street said that they did not want the inconvenience of changing their addresses and that it made no sense, since the city is laid out on a grid of numbered streets and avenues.

    The outcry led one council member who had approved the renaming to propose rescinding the decision in November. The move failed then. There has been no recall vote, but in a regular election last month, Lance Smith lost his Council seat to Gina King, who lives on the street and had promised to force a new vote on the issue if elected.

    On April 26, before an emotional crowd of 200, the Council voted 3 to 2 to rescind the name change. A final vote is scheduled for Monday night.

    "It has nothing to do with racism," said Rich LaCasse, a retired business owner. "We were never given an option. I was ignored as a resident. They made changes on my turf without my knowledge."

    To be sure, some residents have publicly questioned whether Dr. King deserved a street named in his honor. Ben Youmans, a Vietnam veteran who lives on the street, said in letters to local newspapers that he resented Dr. King for protesting the war and for creating "divisiveness and discontent."

    Still others said that since streets named for Dr. King often run through blighted neighborhoods, the renaming could keep visitors away or hurt property values. Jim Tenney, who owns a saddlery shop downtown, said he had briefly wondered if the renaming would hurt the town economically.

    "How could I not?" said Mr. Tenney, who said he liked the idea of honoring Dr. King but that the Council had rushed the process. "If you say that doesn't occur to you, you're not being honest."

    Mr. Tenney, a member of the Zephyrhills Unity Initiative, a coalition of black and white residents that formed after the renaming to address racial divisions, said racism unquestionably exists here. He said he was shocked when a number of people attending a recent Founders' Day festival declined to sign the coalition's mission statement: "We want to live in a community that embraces cultural differences and encourages the individuality and abilities of all people to contribute to the fabric of the community."

    "Why not sign something so basic?" Mr. Tenney said.

    Steve Spina, the city manager, said city officials and protesters were discussing possible compromises: naming a planned water park or a new library for Dr. King, or keeping the new street signs up commemoratively while changing the official name back to Sixth Avenue.

    Mrs. Dobson, who is 80, said that she still hoped the Council would change its mind and keep the official name as Dr. King's but that she was already looking ahead to other projects.

    In the past, she pushed successfully to get streets paved and streetlights put up in the black neighborhood outside town, which is under the county's jurisdiction. Now, she and other protesters said, they may focus on recruiting new candidates for the Council.

    "I'm not about to move away," she said, "and give them Zephyrhills."

    I remember when I was about 9 years old a major street in my town changed name, in honor of a deceased Italian-American Fire Commissioner. The change took place in the same manner as in Zephyrhills, yet noone complained about "inconveniences" in changing their addresses. Some time later, another major street in my town also changed it's name to Dr. Martin Luther King Blvd. For some reason, that was a big problem but the change went ahead anyway. Some years later, there was a section in town with many old, abandoned houses. The city proposed tearing down the houses to build townhouses for low-income families. No sooner had the ink dried when all of a sudden the area in question became a "historic district," thereby foiling the city's attempt to destroy the old houses (how "historic" are houses that were built no earlier than 1945? )

    I think that there is no other situation in the United States where open racisim and discrimination exists than in housing, period. It's so obvious that people of different colors, nationalities, languages, disablitiles CANNOT live in conjunction with the majority. Does this make sense? Anyone out there really who thinks that racism is dead and buried and a thing of the past.........

  • talesin
    talesin
    "We're being portrayed as a racist little town, but I don't think they've really understood the heart of Zephyrhills," Mr. Smith said.

    Yeah, right!

    It's still happening here in Canada as well. Just two weeks ago, the Human Rights Commission won a case for a local boxer who fought for the heavyweight title last year. The police were harrassing him. They stopped his car almost 30 times in the space of a month. Because his car was licensed in Texas (he had been training there), they 'claimed' that they were stopping him legitimately. They even impounded his car one time, claiming he could not show proper insurance, when it was clearly shown on the TX registration. It was clear they were just being ***holes. I hope he gets a large cash award! And some folks think racism is not alive and well? hah! It makes me sick.

    tal

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    It's so obvious that people of different colors, nationalities, languages, disablitiles CANNOT live in conjunction with the majority. Does this make sense? Anyone out there really who thinks that racism is dead and buried and a thing of the past.........

    What bothers me is this self-rigteous attitude. Because people don't want their address/street changed because aggressive councilmembers shove it down their throat? Portraying anyone who doesn't go along with is as "racist" REALLY bothers me.

    I remember when I worked for local government and a Latino mayor suddenly insisted that one of our holidays be changed to Caesar Chavez' birthday. We didn't get an ADDITIONAL holiday; we had to forgo another holiday: when most of our families would normally be out of work and out of school. For anyone who objected, the word "racism" was subtly implied by the mayor. He shoved it down our throats.

    So your community agreed to rename a street in honor of one of your community leaders who had fallen. So? How was THIS particular community influenced by MLK. You're comparing apples to oranges.

    If this is the best you can come up with for "racism" still alive and well, your reaching. I feel very strongly about this, as we've got people MURDERING innocent women and babies in other nations, and then opening FIRE on the people who came memorialize them.

    I'm getting fed up with this PC double standard.

  • gespro
    gespro

    Ya know, in one sense, I can relate to folks not wanting to get their street address shanghied (sp?) It's a major pain! but I know Florida all too well to ignore this thread.

    Cullen Smith said he would have preferred to name the street after Abraham Lincoln, who he said had done "more for the black people than just about anybody."

    Interesting topic in itself. I beg to differ...Here are some more folks who aren't familiar with the history of 1) what Lincoln was actually doing and why 2) how Florida was 'attained' in the first place.The Floridians hated Lincoln! The history of Florida is amazing, but I won't go into that now...

    But I wonder, sincerely, what would have happened if they did vote to rename the street after Lincoln?

  • Xena
    Xena

    I think if the renaming had followed the proper procedure and people then protested you might call it racist..(to be honest I don't know what the normal procedure is for re-naming streets, does anyone else?)..but I would be a bit pissy if my address was changed and I had no voice in it personally. It's effecting my property and I should have a voice. Isn't that supposed to be the American way?

  • Thunder Rider
    Thunder Rider

    They renamed a section of highway here in KC after Mayor Cleaver. He did a lot for the local black community. I think it ran about $25000.00 to make the changes to signage and so forth along the road.

    Trouble was in their haste to make it so they spelled his name wrong. It cost another $30000.00 to fix it.

    Naming roads after persons of notarity be they sports figures, political activists or dead presidents for that matter is only special in its rarity. Having a MLK Blvd in every city coast to coast cheapens the act for me.

    On a side note, I was once threatened to be shot by a fellow in a gas station on MLK Blvd in Oklahoma City. He said he didn't want no "crackers" in his neighborhood.


    Thunder

  • Nina
    Nina

    Racism has nothing to do with it, imo.

    When the name of a street gets changed there is stationery to change (this costs!), all the businesses have to change their advertising (this costs!), all the maps have to be changed (this costs!) and I don't mean just locally. Suppose I bought a copy of the Rand-McNalley map last week and now they've gone and changed the name of the street? How will I find your house? How will 911 find you? (It costs to make changes in the system!)

    Who is going to foot the bill for all these changes? Who will see that it is all done? Not that little lady who wants to honor her hero. She isn't thinking past her own little life.

    It's easy to cry "racism!". It takes at least half a functional brain to recognize when to leave well enough alone.

    Nina

  • Soledad
    Soledad
    What bothers me is this self-rigteous attitude. Because people don't want their address/street changed because aggressive councilmembers shove it down their throat? Portraying anyone who doesn't go along with is as "racist" REALLY bothers me.

    To say that having a street address changed is an inconvenience is stupid. Where I used to live, if items of mail have the pre-MLK street address on it, people still got their items delivered by the postal service(even 20 years after the name change). And as far as I know (because I have actually done this), these situations are rarely just drummed up by a couple of councilmembers---sometimes proposals are drawn up months in advance to take this kind of action, and the people affected are then notified.

    So your community agreed to rename a street in honor of one of your community leaders who had fallen. So? How was THIS particular community influenced by MLK. You're comparing apples to oranges.

    I think MLK reached out to many communities, not just one in particular. So then who does it hurt to have a street, park, library, school or whatever named after him?

    I'm getting fed up with this PC double standard
    I'm getting fed up with people who claim to be fed up with so-called PC. I think deep down inside they really miss the "good ole days" and resent those who finally have made some progress towards equality. WALK A MILE IN MY SHOES..........
  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    To say that having a street address changed is an inconvenience is stupid. Where I used to live, if items of mail have the pre-MLK street address on it, people still got their items delivered by the postal service(even 20 years after the name change).

    Oh, and just totally ignore any information presented here to the contrary. This whole subject is stupid. To suggest that anyone who just doesn't bend over and say "SURE" to any changes made without their vote are in fact "racist" is stupid.

    ,I'm getting fed up with people who claim to be fed up with so-called PC. I think deep down inside they really miss the "good ole days" and resent those who finally have made some progress towards equality. WALK A MILE IN MY SHOES..........

    What, flippin' "good ol' days?" I'm fairly young, as are the rest of us. Sorry you're getting flashbacks of civil rights marches...that was way before my time. You cannot seem to comprehend that shoving impractical methods to "honor" people down other's throats is as much a violation of "rights" as was ever done to anyone else. There are FAR better ways to honor people than to insist that street names be change, than to insist that people now must celebrate a particular person's birthday. I highly resent the "racist" implications just because someone doesn't fall in line with your particular belief of what's right and wrong.

  • Soledad
    Soledad
    There are FAR better ways to honor people than to insist that street names be change, than to insist that people now must celebrate a particular person's birthday

    I did say that. re-read my post (and the article). my point was that the objections are baseless and are racially motivated (see below)

    A business owner told local newspapers that property values would fall, saying streets named after Dr. King were a guarantee of economic blight.

    Their battle mirrors dozens that have erupted around the country over plans to rename streets for Dr. King, but with a twist: on Monday, the City Council is to finalize a reversal of its vote and remove Dr. King's name. The decision would put Zephyrhills among only a handful of cities that have put up street signs bearing Dr. King's name, then taken them down because of community uproar. Accusations of racism are swirling, supporters of the name change are picketing City Hall, and a white supremacist Web site is praising the Council's change of heart.

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