Pedophiles in Good Standing

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  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped

    Here is a very good quote you can use against the Society from a Watchtower Publication that everyone knows:

    You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth Book, Pages 187-188:

    "If church members who gamble, get drunk or do other wrongs are permitted to remain in good standing within their church, what does this show? It is evidence that their religious organization is not approved by God. (1 Corinthians 5:11-13)"
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    Now, turn it around like this:

    "If church members who molest children, rape women, destroy families, or do other wrongs are permitted to remain in good standing within their church, what does this show? It is evidence that their religious organization is not approved by God. (1 Corinthians 5:11-13)"
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    Are Child Molesters Allowed to Remain as Elders in the Jehovah's Witnesses Congregations?

    "For a man who was a child molester before he was baptized, there may be another consequence. When he learns the truth, he repents and turns around, not bringing that cruel sin into the congregation. He may thereafter make fine progress, completely overcome his wrong impulses, and even be inclined to 'reach out' for a responsible position in the congregation. What, though, if he still has to live down notoriety in the community as a former child molester? Would he "be irreprehensible, . . . have a fine testimony from people on the outside, . . . [be] free from accusation"? (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 10; Titus 1:7) No, he would not. Hence, he would not qualify for congregation privileges. ... What if a baptized adult Christian sexually molests a child? ... If he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress, share in the field service, even have parts in the Theocratic Ministry School and nonteaching parts in the Service Meeting. This does not mean, though, that he will qualify to serve in a position of responsibility in the congregation. ... a dedicated adult Christian who falls into the sin of child sexual abuse reveals an unnatural fleshly weakness. Experience has shown that such an adult may well molest other children. True, not every child molester repeats the sin, but many do. And the congregation cannot read hearts to tell who is and who is not liable to molest children again. ... For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer or serve in any other special, full-time service. ... " (Quotes from The Watchtower, January 1, 1997 Issue, Pages 27-29)

    "It may be possible that some who were guilty of child molestation were or are now serving as elders, ministerial servants, or regular or special pioneers. Others may have been guilty of child molestation before they were baptized. The bodies of elders should not query individuals. However, the body of elders should discuss this matter and give the Society a report on anyone who is currently serving or who formerly served in a Society-appointed position in your congregation who is known to have been guilty of child molestation in the past. In your report please answer the following questions: How long ago did he commit the sin? What was his age at the time? What was the age of his victim(s)? Was it a one-time occurrence or a practice? If it was a practice, to what extent? How is he viewed in the community and by the authorities? Has he lived down any notoriety in the community? Are members of the congregation aware of what took place? How do they and/or his victim(s) view him? Has he ever been disfellowshipped, reproved, counseled, or otherwise dealt with? If he has moved to another congregation, please identify the congregation to which he has moved. Was that congregation advised of his past conduct of child molestation, and, if so, when? [If you have not advised them, this should be done now, and you should send a copy of your letter to the Society in a "Special Blue" envelope.] This information should be sent to the Society along with any other observations that the body of elders has. Please send this to the Society in the "Special Blue" envelope so that the factors involved may be given due consideration; this information is not to be made available to those not involved. ... A meeting of the body of elders should be arranged to read and discuss this letter together. This letter is confidential and should not be copied but should be kept in the congregation's confidential file. Elders should not discuss this information with others." (Quotes from Confidential "Body Of Elders" Letter sent from the Watchtower Society to All Bodies of Elders in the United States, March 14, 1997)

    "The elders may have written to the branch office and given full details about a former child abuser who is currently serving as an elder or ministerial servant. In such a case, if the branch office has decided that he can be appointed or continue serving in a position of trust because the sin occurred many years ago and because he has lived an exemplary life since then, his name should not appear on the List, nor is it necessary to pass on information about the brothers past sin if he moves to another congregation unless contrary instructions have been given by the branch. If therefore, such an appointed man moves to another congregation a letter confirming the move should be sent, addressed to the Societys Legal Department. There are, however, many other situations that are connected with the abuse of a child. For example, there may be just one eyewitness, and the brother denies the allegation. (Deuteronomy 19:15; John 8:17) In these and similar cases no entry will be made on the Child Protection List. Rather, information should be kept in a sealed envelope in the congregations confidential file as described below." (Quote from the June 1st 2001 Official Watchtower Society Letter that was Sent from Bethel Headquarters to All Bodies of Elders)

    "Even if he [the child molester] is repentant is cut to the heart and is thus resolutely determined to avoid such conduct in the future what was stated in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower applies. The article said: "For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer [full-time missionary of Jehovah's Witnesses] or serve in any other special, full-time service." He would not qualify Scripturally. (1 Timothy 3:2, 7-10) We take such action because we are concerned with maintaining Bible standards and protecting our children. Everyone in our organization is expected to meet the same requirements, namely, to be clean physically, mentally, morally, and spiritually.--2 Corinthians 7:1; Ephesians 4:17-19; 1 Thessalonians 2:4. In a few instances, individuals guilty of an act of child abuse have been appointed to positions within the congregation if their conduct has been otherwise exemplary for decades. All the factors are considered carefully." (Quote from the Official Watchtower Media Website, May 2002, http://www.jw-media.org about their Pedophile Policy)

    "If, when confronted, the accused confesses that he is guilty of child abuse, the elders take appropriate action. If he is not repentant, he will not be permitted to remain a member of the congregation. ... In a few instances, individuals guilty of an act of child abuse have been appointed to positions within the congregation if their conduct has been otherwise exemplary for decades. All of the circumstances would need to be considered carefully. ..." -- J.R. Brown (Quote from the Statement that was Faxed from J.R. Brown to Betsan Powys [BBC Panorama Reporter] on May 9th 2002, and was Posted on the Official Watchtower Society Media Website at

    http://www.jw-media.org right around the same time the BBC Panorama Program aired.)

    You cannot be a known "sex offender and hold any position of responsibility within the organization," said J.R. Brown, the spokesman. "We have a very strong and aggressive policy for handling any sexual molestation that might take place." (NEWSDAY-NY,

    Wednesday, May 8, 2002 )

    "Where molestation allegations are corroborated, the abuser is banned from the church and is never again allowed to hold a position of authority if the excommunication is rescinded, Brumley said." (CNN.com, "Lawsuits allege cover-up of sexual abuse by Jehovah's Witnesses", Tuesday, July 29, 2003)

    "Our procedures have been refined over time. Our policy over the past several years has been that at least twenty years must have passed before an individual who committed an act of child abuse could even be considered for appointment to a responsible position in the congregation, if ever. The Bible teaches that individuals can repent of their sins and "turn to God by doing works that befit repentance," and we accept what the Bible says. (Acts 26:20) Still, the safety of our children is of the utmost importance, so we realize that the local elders must be very careful when recommending individuals who may have been guilty of an act of child abuse in the distant past." -- J.R. Brown (Quote from the Statement that was Faxed from J.R. Brown to Betsan Powys [BBC Panorama Reporter] on May 9th 2002, and was Posted on the Official Watchtower Society Media Website at

    http://www.jw-media.org right around the same time the BBC Panorama Program aired.)

    "Anyone in a responsible position who is guilty of child abuse would be removed from his responsibilities without hesitation. We certainly would not knowingly transfer him to serve elsewhere." -- J.R. Brown (Quote from the Statement that was Faxed from J.R. Brown to Betsan Powys [BBC Panorama Reporter] on May 9th 2002, and was Posted on the Official Watchtower Society Media Website at

    http://www.jw-media.org right around the same time the BBC Panorama Program aired.)

    "as a protection to our children, former child molesters are not permitted to receive positions of responsibility in our religion." -- J.R. Brown (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE, PRESS RELEASE, August 7, 2001)

    "People in the Organization who are accused of sex abuse are subject to a Hearing... They are automatically removed from leadership positions and can't go door-to-door without other members' being present." -- J.R. Brown ("The Washington Post" Newspaper, May 11th 2002)

    "People in the Organization who are accused of sex abuse are subject to a Hearing like the one Barbara Anderson attended yesterday, [J.R.] Brown said. They are automatically removed from leadership positions and can't go door-to-door without other members' being present." ("The Tennessean/Nashville" Newspaper, May 11th 2002)

    "A known child molester does not qualify for appointment as a church Elder or for any other position of responsibility in any congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses." -- J.R. Brown ("Paducah Sun" Newspaper, on January 5th, 2001)

    "The Witnesses can often avoid being Disfellowhipped if they quickly show repentance, but according to Erik Joergensen [Head of Information of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Denmark], this will not be the case if they have committed sexual abuse and murder." (Danish Newspaper "Kristeligt Dagblad", October 18, 2001)

    [J.R. Brown] said that anyone found guilty of molestation by a church judicial committee is removed from all positions of responsibility and cannot evangelize door-to-door without being accompanied by a fellow Jehovah's Witness. (Associated Press News and also on CNN.com, Thursday, May 9, 2002)

    [David Semonian] said anyone convicted of child molestation cannot hold a position of authority in the church and cannot perform church work alone. (Asbury Park Press, May 14th 2002)

    If an individual was found guilty of child molestation, he cannot under any circumstances serve as an elder. "Elders are religious leaders", says Brown." (SPIEGEL ONLINE Germany News - June 12th 2002; URL:

    http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0 ,1518,198436,00.html)

    "Members of the faith found guilty of wrongdoing by church elders can be disfellowshipped, said church spokesman J.R. Brown in New York City. When that happens other members are encouraged to cease all contact with the individual. "That is a biblical standard," Brown said. "We are pretty strict when it comes to interpreting the Bible."

    "On rare occasions a member of a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses takes up or reverts to the disgusting habit of child molestation. Even if he gives extensive evidence of genuine repentance and has stopped his wrongdoing, the individual is severely censored by the congregation and is not protected from criminal investigation and/or prosecution. Even if today years have passed, he does not qualify for any responsibilities in the congregation. The individual is also directed that he should not be in any unsupervised company of children, including when he engages in any public witnessing. Additionally, elders of Jehovah's Witnesses are alerted to any past behavior of such an individual so as to protect the safety of any children in the congregation with whom he comes into contact. If the person moves to another congregation, the elders in the new congregation are notified; his record goes with him." (Jehovah's Witnesses Office of Public Information Press Release: Statement on silentlambs march, September 27, 2002)

    "Witness leaders also cannot feign ignorance to the dangers of having known child sex abusers in positions of authority in the group, or having them preaching in their emblematic door-to-door ministry. Instead, the seemed to move in a direction of excluding penitent pedophiles from leadership privileges, though explicitly prescribing evangelism as a token of faith even for convicted child sex offenders. Both issues were addressed in the other journal published by the group, The Watchtower of January 1, 1997. It stated, for the first time, that a "known" molester "would not qualify for congregation privileges," such as becoming an elder or ministerial servant (deacon). However, a secret letter to all bodies of elders three months later, on March 14, 1997, quietly backpedaled: "An individual 'known' to be a former child molester has reference to the perception of that one in the community and in the Christian congregation." As for determining whether those already in a position of authority had a history of molestation, the letter directed that "the body of elders should not query individuals." Unknown to the faithful, who would have taken the Watchtower as gospel, molesters could remain in positions of authority at all levels of the organization. The contents of that letter, though leaked on the Internet, remain a secret to the lay members of the group. "It was explained to the elders," said Brown, "and it is not a part of our standard way of handling things to always inform every detail of matters to the congregation in general. What is stated there [in the January 1, 1997 Watchtower] and the way it's stated there, without the clarification, is certainly what happens most of the time." The same issue of The Watchtower insured that not even a history of criminal child sexual abuse would exclude a penitent member from being required to engage in the Witnesses public preaching activity. Speaking of a molester who may have recently been released from prison, it states, "if he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress [and] share in the field ministry." Brown reassured that a penitent predatory pedophile might be offered alternatives to going door-to-door, at the discretion of the local elders. "We consider just as valid if he sits on a bench in a mall with magazines and offers them to people there. Or, if he calls up on a telephone." " (Quotes from "Dances With Cactus" Web Blog on Salon.com, Wednesday, September 4, 2002, By Michael Morris)


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    Does the Watchtower Society Harbor Fugitive Criminals?

    "We received your letter of December 17 in which you inquire about handling a situation involving a brother who has been guilty of serious violations of the law in the past. You explained that you have received information indicating that this brother "committed several murders and crimes before his baptism." You ask if "Florida law obligates some action on our part. Florida law enforcement authorities have no knowledge of this matter." As elders, you have no obligation to reveal information of this type to the authorities. Any information that you have obtained while fulfilling your duties as elders is strictly confidential. What he does about paying his debt to Society is largely up to him and his conscience. Since he is apparently a fugitive from the law, he obviously would not qualify for any extra privileges or service in the congregation. ... As we believe you understand, it is imperative that the elders maintain strict confidentiality about his past. If the elders inadvertently reveal his past wrongdoing, undoubtedly it will result in major repercussions to him and his wife. So, handling this case calls for good judgment and discernment. We trust you brothers can handle things appropriately. Write to us again if you need further direction." (Quotes from an Official Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Letter sent to Elders on December 24, 1992)

    "...God did not require congregation elders to enforce Caesar's laws and codes. Hence, Paul did not feel compelled to turn over to Roman authorities Onesimus, who was a fugitive under Roman law. (Philemon 10, 15) Of course, if someone flagrantly violates secular law, gaining the reputation of being a lawbreaker, he would not be a good example and might even be disfellowshipped. (1 Timothy 3:2, 7, 10) If lawbreaking was involved in causing another's death, bloodguilt requiring congregation investigation might result." (Quote from The Watchtower, October 1st 1986 Issue, Page 31)

    "God's Word does not charge the Christian congregation, through its overseers, with the obligation to become acquainted with all the details of civil and criminal law so as to enforce these. We can see this in how Paul handled the case of Onesimus. ... In Rome as a runaway slave (Latin, fugitivus) Onesimus came in contact with Paul, became a Christian and ministered to Paul. ... Take note that while Onesimus was in Rome the apostle Paul did not hand him over to the Roman authorities for punishment as a fugitive slave and possibly a thief. We know from his writings that Paul believed that a Christian should obey the law of the land, but plainly he did not consider it the congregation's duty to serve as an arm of the government in policing individuals' lives. Also, we can observe that Onesimus' situation was not treated as a barrier to his getting baptized. ... The Christian congregation today follows a course harmonious with this Biblical pattern. ... each individual, Christian or not, is personally responsible as to whether he complies with civil laws." (Quotes from The Watchtower, March 15th 1977 Issue, Pages 191-192)

    "...the Christian Greek Scriptures do not indicate that God requires a person to undo all his past sins or crimes before he can be baptized. This is illustrated in the case of Onesimus, mentioned in the Bible book of Philemon. He had been a slave in Colossae, but he fled. That was a criminal offense, making him a runaway slave (Latin, fugitivus). Also, some feel that Onesimus may have robbed his master so as to be able to flee to distant Italy. In Rome he came into association with the apostle Paul and became a baptized Christian. Paul did not demand that before Onesimus could get baptized he had to turn himself over to the authorities for criminal punishment ... Similarly, a person who accepts the Bible's message today may have formerly committed some crime, even being wanted for it, being a fugitive. The Bible shows that he must 'repent and turn around so as to get his sins blotted out.' (Acts 3:19) That obviously means that he must absolutely abandon his former sinful, criminal course. ... the crime may be something that he has no way of reversing. He might have caused someone's death. Conscience-stricken though he be, he cannot bring that life back-only Jehovah can. (John 5:28, 29) But even though he cannot reverse the past, he should throw himself on God's mercy and seek forgiveness based on Jesus' sacrifice. ... Any fair, thoughtful person can see the high moral standards of those in the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses." (Quotes from The Watchtower, September 15th 1978 Issue, Pages 30-31)

  • OlSoddy
    OlSoddy

    This was a very good and interesting read.

    It shows very well what the "truth" is about the jw's.

    Ol'Soddy

  • Scully
    Scully
    "Even if he [the child molester] is repentant is cut to the heart and is thus resolutely determined to avoid such conduct in the future what was stated in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower applies. The article said: "For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer [full-time missionary of Jehovah's Witnesses] or serve in any other special, full-time service." He would not qualify Scripturally. (1 Timothy 3:2, 7-10)

    I don't give a hoot how "repentant" a child molester claims to be. Being called Brother? or Sister? again after reinstatement implies a level of trust and responsibility among JWs. These people are welcomed back into the congregation, and the child whose innocence was taken from them has to refer to the Repentant? molester as Brother? So-and-So or Sister? So-and-So and has to be exposed to them repeatedly. These people are assigned by the body of elders to attend Book Study centers in private homes, oftentimes homes where there are children, and the parents are totally unaware of the reasons for Brother? or Sister? So-and-So's being disciplined in the first place.

    If a person was confessing to being an alcoholic or drug addict, the elders would talk to them about the importance of abstinence, and the importance of not being in an environment where temptation arises. There are no opportunities to access alcohol or drugs in a Kingdom Hall, are there? But here you have child molesters, whose "drug of choice" is to achieve sexual gratification with children, and the elders think it's inconsequential to allow this kind of individual to be around children and expose them to temptation every time they attend a religious function, for 5 or more hours every single week!!

    The sheer stupidity of this policy is unbelievable.

    Love, Scully

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost
    These people are assigned by the body of elders to attend Book Study centers in private homes, oftentimes homes where there are children, and the parents are totally unaware of the reasons for Brother? or Sister? So-and-So's being disciplined in the first place.

    In Australia, BOE have been instructed to assign such persons to Book Study groups that meet at Kingdom Halls only.

  • Thunder Rider
    Thunder Rider

    In many areas these abominations can't even move into your neighborhood with out registering with the authorities. Lists of names and addresses are available for those who wish to know if they have a sexual predator living in their area.

    I often wonder were my children ever in the same room with one of those beasts. If ever I find out the were, ther will be hell to pay for someone.

    Humans with such perverse tendencies should feel welcome nowhere. They should be in constant fear of their lives and constantly looking over their shoulders, not sitting in some livingroom in the company of uninformed parents and innocent children.

    Do those assholes at Brooklyn have a living brain cell amongst them? Have they not one shred of common sense?

    Thunder ==}>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • Scully
    Scully

    ozzie:

    BOE have been instructed to assign such persons to Book Study groups that meet at Kingdom Halls only.

    That doesn't always work either. What happens when there aren't any Book Study groups that meet at the Kingdom Hall? Out of the half dozen or so congregations that I have attended over 25 years, guess how many had a Book Study group that met at the Kingdom Hall.... ONE. And that one was moved to a private home as soon as a host family became available. Are publishers going to look with suspicion at Book Study groups that suddenly crop up at Kingdom Halls? You bet they are, and every person who attends is going to have people wondering about them... whether they are the one. That's something the WTS is desperately trying to avoid... they are trying to present the every congregation as beacons of safety and security. Having Book Study groups at Kingdom Halls is going to be a bit of a blot on a congregation's reputation, if it is known that this is the "appropriate" place for a child molester to attend.

    Love, Scully

  • Puternut
    Puternut
    "Even if he [the child molester] is repentant is cut to the heart and is thus resolutely determined to avoid such conduct in the future what was stated in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower applies. The article said: "For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer [full-time missionary of Jehovah's Witnesses] or serve in any other special, full-time service." He would not qualify Scripturally. (1 Timothy 3:2, 7-10)

    I know of two elders in a nearby congregation, who have molested their own daughters for several years. And they are currently serving as elders again. They were removed for a while, and the CO threatened the elder body to remain quiet, or else face the consequenses of being disfellowshipped on the grounds of slander. One of the elders who has knowledge of this, has also decided to leave the borg.

    Elders have an 'ecclesiastical priveledge'. Yet having knowledge of something and remaining confidential about it is one thing. Having knowledge of a crime and condoning it, is another. Once a molester, always a molester. That is a given fact. The society is abusing the 'ecclesiastical priveledge' bestowed upon them.

    The WT prints articles that make the average witness feel 'safe'. But the reality is far different. For instance the person who was a molester before he was a witness, and reaches out for the position of oversight, will be asked if he was ever involved in such a practice, before he can be given that priveledge. A report goes to the head quarters, and often he can serve on the basis that he is a changed man now. This is very dangerous, to allow such a man in the trust of children.

    Puternut

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    G'day Scully,

    The situation downunder seems to be quite different, for example, one congregation I know of in Sydney has six groups meeting at the Kingdom Hall!!!!!!!! Yeah, I know, it's ridiculous, but it's more the norm here that people don't want groups in their homes, least of all the elders.

    However................there's also vigilance needed on the elders part to be constantly aware of who visits the restrooms. Parents are instructed to never allow their children visit the toilets alone. As you can imagine, this is almost impossible to police.

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • defender of truth
    defender of truth

    BTTT

    The comments about a molester supposedly having to only attend study groups at the Kingdom Hall, instead of someone's home, made me think..

    Could this have had something to do with everybody being moved to a Congregation Book study, instead of meeting in homes?

    Limitation of possible future lawsuits?...

    "ozzie post 11 years ago

    These people are assigned by the body of elders to attend Book Study centers in private homes, oftentimes homes where there are children, and the parents are totally unaware of the reasons for Brother? or Sister? So-and-So's being disciplined in the first place.

    In Australia, BOE have been instructed to assign such persons to Book Study groups that meet at Kingdom Halls only."

  • umbertoecho
    umbertoecho

    Could this have had something to do with everybody being moved to a Congregation Book study, instead of meeting in homes?

    The practice here in Western Australia is that there is no book study ever conducted in private homes. They are done as a part of the mid week meeting. I am not sure when this was started, but in the last 6 years that I was on and off ....attending. All book studies were held this way. It was never explained to me why this change had been made, and I never thought too much about it...........but now I do...

    Pre preaching meetings, are held at some private homes and some at the congregation.

    Thank you for that informative post. I will copy and save that one for my own use.


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