by desib77 8 Replies latest jw friends
The JW's always say that the hope of paradise is comforting to those who have lost a loved one. What I don't understand is how that is comforting if you consider that the only people that are to make it are JW's or trying to be JW? To people of "the world" or bible studies, I would think this would be devasting to most people (other than JW) considering the requirements.
Desi
I don't understand is how that is comforting if you consider that the only people that are to make it are JW's or trying to be JW?
Because JWs don't tell people that. BTW, trying to be JWs won't make it either, The WTS has said many times that only dedicated, baptized JWs and their minor children will survive. If the end comes when someone is studying but not baptized, too bad, so sad. At the last DC I went to in 2002 the GB speaker at the end said that parents should wake up and realize their children need to be baptized or they would not survive the destruction. Considering that 6 year olds get baptized, every JW child 6 and over better be baptized.
Blondie
True, Desi
The JWs can't get past the paradise picture to think about the "rest of the story". They get stuck on the paradise and then their brains freeze.
Joy
It's the old carrot-dangling-in-front-of-the-donkey trick. They swoop in, like vultures, on the ones who are devastated by grief and offer them the false hope of being reunited with their loved one(s) again in Paradise on Earth?.
It sucks in more vulnerable people than you can possibly imagine.
I've read accounts (and heard experiences when I was a JW) of other JWs who scanned the obituaries looking for potential Studies?. They'd then write a letter to the grief-stricken family and enclosed a "When Someone You Love Dies" brochure with it. Still others would frequent cemetaries trolling for recently bereaved people to offer them their Message of Hope?.
Even when I was a JW, these kinds of tactics made me disgusted.
Love, Scully
Blondie,
It's amazing how JWs differ the message in country to country (and area to area?) isn't it!
If the end comes when someone is studying but not baptized, too bad, so sad.
I was never taught this. I was told that Jehovah would take pity on such ones at Armageddon because at least they had started to learn how to serve him - but, then again, I was studying at the time so maybe it was to pacify me (?).
Ian
Blondie,
You can see how much I actually paid attention in my 19 years of meetings.......
And baptizing at 6 years old? (I was 12 years old and I know I surely wasn't ready.) Do they still go through the questions? If they are in that big of a hurry to have their children baptized that they would ignore whether they were ready to make that kind of commitment or not then I'm surprised they haven't started accepting infant baptisms. I really can't see much of a difference in a baby and a 6 year old in that aspect.
Desi
The official WTS stand is that you have to be dedicated and baptized. I know individually JWs feel differently. I found the comment by the GB member dogmatic but no one seemed to comment negatively afterwards. Yes, he said your children must be dedicated and baptized to survive. He particularly singled out teenagers saying they were old enough to be responsible to God and could not expect to get in on their parents coat-tails.
w89 9/1 19 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium ***
**Please don't confuse this with my personal opinion. I am merely reporting what the WTS has said in writing and at conventions I have attended.
77 ask them why Jesus and the apostles never shared this comforting message with anyone?
The JW's always say that the hope of paradise is comforting to those who have lost a loved one.
They should just beat it to the punch and baptize them once there born like the Catholics. Then I could be like Don Corleone and be a God Father!
