Should obesity be a DF offense?

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  • jws
    jws

    A headline on today's USA Today says that obesity is the #1 killer. If being fat is such a health risk (like cigarettes), why don't the JWs disfellowship people for being obese?

    I know in some cases, people gain weight due to medical problems that are hard to control. But more often, it's not something medical, it's a matter of eating too much or the wrong kinds of foods. Should ordering french fries along with a cheeseburger be grounds for disfellowshipping? It seems like it would be the same argument as cigarettes - that they're harmful to your body. No, maybe not one order of fries, but down the road, it causes problems. Same for cigarettes. One isn't going to kill you, but a lifetime of them will cause problems.

    I know of a few elders that would be disfellowshipped.

  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41
    Can Stress Make Your Belly Fat?
    by Michael Stefano

    From rising terror alerts to falling stock prices, today's world provides ample stimulation to trigger a stressful response. But did you know that this stress response could be making you fat?

    The Flight or Fight Response

    Millions of years ago, our cavemen ancestors needed to react swiftly to any perceived threat. This flight or fight response was designed to provide quick energy for five or ten minutes, enabling our forefathers and mothers to either do battle or run. At the first sign of a dangerous situation, the human brain releases a substance known as, corticotropin-releasing-hormone, or CRH. CRH travels to the adrenal cortex and stimulates the release of the hormones adrenalin and cortisol.

    This added adrenalin improves eyesight and hearing, while lung capacity jumps, and thinking becomes more focused. The digestive system is temporarily shut down, and blood is shunted from the internal organs for emergency use elsewhere. Heart rate and blood pressure climb, and due to the increased cortisol levels, more stored fuel (fat and glucose) is mobilized for quick action. Production of insulin, the fat storage hormone, is also dramatically increased. Insulin overrides signals from adrenalin to burn fat, and instead, encourages the body to store fat (for future use) in the abdominal region.

    This life-saving, emergency response plan was appropriate to an era when surviving the day was the biggest concern. But when was the last time you reacted to a stressful situation by actually fighting or running away? The human brain cannot distinguish between a valid physical threat and ordinary, day-to-day, also known as chronic, stress. For many stressed-out individuals, the flight or fight response is triggered on an almost continuous basis.

    Here's what we know so far

    • Your body reacts to stress and prepares itself to run or fight by releasing certain hormones (adrenalin, cortisol, insulin).

    • Your brain cannot distinguish between chronic stress and a life- threatening situation, and will react the same in both cases.

    • In today's world, physical threats are few and far between, but day-to-day stress is chronic, and can also trigger the flight or fight response.

    Cortisol is the Culprit

    As you sit in your car and stew over the wall of traffic in front of you, the deadlines at work you'll never meet, and the bills you can't pay, your brain begins to sense the onset of a threatening situation and sets the flight or fight response into motion.

    You feel this as nervous tension or just plain anxiety. Your heart pounds and you want to jump out of your skin, but you can only sit. All that extra fuel (in the form of fat and glucose) that's designed to provide you with emergency energy, is now being mobilized for action, but goes unused and left behind, only to be re-deposited as fat -and to make matters worse, usually belly-fat.

    High cortisol levels are associated with increased appetite and increased fat deposits, typically around the trunk and abdomen. Some researches theorize that this unused fuel (or fat) is generally deposited in abdominal area because of its proximity to the liver (where it can be quickly converted to a usable form of energy).

    The Adrenalin Antidote

    As part of the body's short-term protective measures, Cortisol acts like the adrenalin antidote. Upon removal of the stressful stimulus adrenalin levels quickly dissipate, but cortisol levels remain high, causing insulin production to surge as well.

    In the face of prolonged or chronic stress, cortisol levels can remain constantly high, keeping you in a state of perpetual hunger. We can easily see how elevated cortisol levels can promote weight gain due to an overabundance of insulin. Insulin resistance, which affects 25 per cent of all Americans, is a major risk factor for Type II Diabetes and heart disease.

    The average caveman was well served by a system that signaled him to eat after every emergency, and where total energy expenditure was not uncommon. Thankfully, today, true physical emergencies are rare, but this short-term protective system, although somewhat outdated, still works. And to help short circuit the process even further, nowadays the act of going out and obtaining food burns only as few calories as it takes drive to the nearest McDonald's (about one french fry), as compared to our ancestors who had to hunt for every meal.

    The stress response is hardwired into the fabric of our lives. Ask the average man or woman off the street if he or she gets stressed out on a regular basis, and you'll most likely hear an emphatic, "Yes!" So if we can't eliminate stress, how can we combat the effects of the flight or fight response and stop making ourselves fat?

    Exercise, Fat's Triple Threat

    One of the most obvious ways to combat fat and the ravages of stress is with exercise. Exercise represents a triple threat to body fat. First, exercise burns calories and utilizes stored body fat as fuel. Second, working out increases the amount of lean muscle mass your body must provide with fuel on a 24 hour a day basis. More muscle means less fat.

    Researchers from Yale University have now clearly demonstrated a third mechanism by which exercise reduces stores of body fat, especially around the belly. They've demonstrated that moderate to vigorous exercise, such as lifting weights, can offset the negative effects of cortisol and insulin. With as little as ten minutes of strenuous exercise the brain begins to produce beta- endorphins that calm you down and decrease levels of the stress hormone. Many feel that strenuous exercise actually mimics a typical caveman-like physical reaction to a threat, and is the modern-day version of an appropriate reaction to the flight or fight response.

    A note of caution

    • Don't overdo it. Too much exercise can actually cause additional stress and associated symptoms.
    • Be sure to get plenty of rest. Inadequate sleep increases cortisol levels and reduces leptin, a hormone that signals fullness.
    • Avoid dieting. High protein, low carb diets do not provide enough energy during stressful situations.

    Common sense dictates that you eat right, get plenty of sleep, and exercise, but now we have another weapon in the battle of the bulge. Stress management, whether through, education, exercise, therapy, or just plain fun is a necessary ingredient in fitness and weight loss, as it is in a healthy, well-balanced life. Be sure to not ignore the signs of being overstressed, of which being over weight is just one symptom. Recognize symptoms and do something today. Whether with exercise or other types of stress management techniques such as psychotherapy, hypnosis, taking up a hobby, or meditation, take back control of your life.

    Early warning signs of stress

    • Sudden weight loss or weight gain
    • Tired but can't sleep, excessive fatigue
    • Speech difficulties, impatience
    • Headaches, repeated colds or flu
    • Nail biting, teeth grinding
    • Low or high blood sugar
    • Low or high blood pressure
    • High cholesterol or triglycerides
    • Ulcers and gastric disturbances
    • Chest pains, muscle aches
    • Lower back, shoulder, neck pain
    • Menstrual problems, hair loss
    • Forgetfulness, withdraw from social life

    The Meditation Connection

    Another victim of stress is the youth promoting hormone Dehydroepiandrosterone or DHEA. DHEA is a naturally occurring feel-good hormone that's been shown to decline under times of physical and emotional trauma, and may be another connection between stress and weight gain.

    Researches have found that DHEA levels can be easily elevated during the most tranquil of activities, meditation, as well as by exercise. In a similar fashion to the beta-endorphins that are released during vigorous activities, DHEA production increases during meditation. This process reduces blood cortisol levels and combats the negative effects of stress.

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    well for one thing, u either smoke cigs or u don't . No gray area. As u pointed u are not being DF b/c u have lung Cancer, u are being DF b/c u smoke. Some people, actually a lot of overweight people don't actually eat too much food, they are not gluttons, but have an impared metabloism. I have type 2 diabetes and am insulin resistant. It is very difficult for me to lose weight. I can diet and actually hardly eat and not lose hardly any weight. So i am not a glutton, but i am overweight. So if a person was a glutton, they should be DF (per jws rules) if they persisted. But just being overweight does not mean u are a glutton.

  • Atilla
    Atilla

    I just remember that our KH had these chairs that were not really accomadating for anyone that was overweight. I remember we had this one couple that were so fat that they had to bring their own "larry chair" chair without sides so they could sit in the back without getting stuck in the normal chairs. Also, forget about those people finding a good dress suit, they would always have something that looked like it was three sizes too small. Too bad they just couldn't have worn something more comfortable but you know how the dubs like to dress up. I wouldn't worry though because I never see any fat people in those paradise pictures.

  • ApagaLaLuz
    ApagaLaLuz

    This is a great topic.....

    I have long argued this very point with many elders. Smoking cigarettes is a Dishfellowshiping sin because it "defiles" the body. Caffenie rots your teeth, and affects the beat of your heart. Eating at In-N-Out regularly can cause obesity. I have argued that it is unfair to DF someone and cut them off from their family, when that DF'd person's family can load up on the cheeseburgers and cokes with no reprocutions. It's a double standard if you ask me, which no one did of course :)

  • patio34
    patio34

    It seems to me to be an offense against the Bible because "gluttons will not inherit the Kingdom" or something like that somewhere (Yay! I've forgotten some of it!! ).

    However, as with most things it's not so simple. There are many contributing and varied factors to obesity and it would be very hard to unravel them to see if a person were, in fact, a glutton.

    Sometimes, drunkenness can be very hard to prove to if the person is private about it. There again, there's a range of what could be called drunk too.

    In both gluttony and drunkenness, a person would seem to have to be accompanied continuouslyin order to prove it.

    Pat

  • maxwell
    maxwell

    Obviously some people overeat. People over eat and over drink, smoke and take drugs sometimes in response to stress or psychological problems. And as stated sometimes other problems out of a person's control cause obesity. However, I have to agree overeating is not as cut and dry as smoking or not smoking. There's never a good reason to smoke. But you have to eat. Then there's the problem of defining obesity. Would they keep a scale to weigh people at the KH to determine how much over their ideal weight each person was. Would the threshold be 20 lbs over ideal or 40 lbs. over ideal. Would there be a graduated threshold based on height. Would they consider a person's percentage of body fat? I started answering this question thinking obesity, but after thinking about some of the other responses, it looks like the real question is should gluttony be a DF offense? And there as pointed out, it would be hard to prove.

  • RedhorseWoman
    RedhorseWoman

    Even though gluttony and drunkenness might be difficult to prove, they are, in fact, the offenses that are spoken of in the Bible as sins....along with laziness and gossipping (and we all know how many JWs just LOVE to gossip.)

    Smoking, on the other hand, is never specifically mentioned, but falls into that gray area of defiling the body. What I find interesting is that the act of smoking has been around for thousands of years, and it was certainly practiced in Biblical times, although probably not tobacco specifically, since tobacco is a new world plant. The Mayans, however, DID smoke tobacco. Cannabis was most likely the plant of choice for smoking during Biblical times.

    So, it would appear that the Bible writers did not consider the act of smoking to be sinful, or even defiling the body. Until the 60s, smoking tobacco was also considered to be a very healthful habit, and was even recommended by doctors at times.

    Until evidence came out that cigarette smoking could cause health problems, JWs were allowed to smoke without repercussions. I find it interesting that smoking was banned only when the world at large began looking unfavorably on the act of smoking. Makes you wonder if the Society was as much concerned about "defiling the body" as they were in looking good to the world. After all, they have frequently proclaimed their status as the largest non-smoking organization on the face of the earth. What most people don't realize, however, is the price so many JWs have had to pay in loss of family, friends, and spiritual and emotional support in order to bolster that "clean" image.

  • RedhorseWoman
    RedhorseWoman

    Actually, in retrospect, gluttony isn't that hard to prove. I can remember attending a clambake sponsored by my mother's employer one summer. The man who sat across the table from us was hugely obese, and there was no doubt that he was a glutton. While others were taking small portions of the various foods and then going back for more if they were still hungry, this man had his plate loaded to toppling with whatever food he could grab.

    He had ears of corn in both hands and was shoving food into his mouth as fast as he could, never stopping to speak to anyone or take one second away from the act of eating. Butter dribbled down his chin and his cheeks were stuffed with food he hadn't yet swallowed. His entire eating performance was absolutely disgusting. I would have no qualms in labelling this man as a glutton. He even stayed at the table eating long after everyone else was finished.

    Gluttony was probably a fairly common practice back in Bible times. Remember the historical accounts of Roman feasts and orgies in which the participants would gorge themselves, leave the room to vomit so as to make room, and then return to another gorging session? No wonder the Bible condemned the practice.

  • Valis
    Valis

    the other problem, just like the child abuse issue is that is is few and far between that the men who are elders are qualified to make a judgement call like that or diagnose a real condition. Especially about obesity, which I have in my family. They are good dubbies, but for clinical and emotional reasons they are seriously overweight. I remember this brother named Brashear? who just broke up w/this sister...his words were...."I think I will go home and eat a whole lasagna.." I have no clue as to why that has stuck w/me all these years, but I thought I would throw in my two pittence.

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

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