The Turning Sword in Genesis

by Ariell 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • Ariell
    Ariell

    Genesis 3: 24 - And so he drove the man out and posted at the east of the Garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't man create the sword? What was God doing with a blade in heaven? There was no hatred, violence, or war at this time in Biblical history. Or is this not to be taking literally? If not, then why is there a picture of this sword in the "Book of Bible Stories" for children?

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    A difficult question for literalists indeed.

    But it's all a myth. Not a good myth, not a bad myth, just a myth.

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa

    Wow, it just struck me how that story sounds like it is straight out of The Lord Of The Rings.

  • link
    link

    I agree with Dan, It was all a big mythtake.

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  • Puternut
    Puternut

    Seems kinda cruel huh? After all, Eve had no experience in life whatsoever. And she was being tested by a spirit creature with more experience. Then God drives them out of the garden he made for them. And leaves them to fend for themselves. Later, he ousts the spirit to the earth, since god had no more use for him, to people who were miserable from the effects of Adam and Eve, and told this spirit, have your fun with them. Then after the thousand years, he will once again be set loose to pray on people. Are we created to be test subjects?

  • simwitness
    simwitness

    ok, does the bible ever mention this sword being removed from service??

    If the bible account is literal, shouldn't that "flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life" still be turning and a flaming?

  • heathen
    heathen

    Sounds like an Indiana jones and the search for the cherubs flaming sword movie idea . lol I couldn't see the importance of having the tree of life and a cherub guarding it thru all eterninty .

  • simwitness
    simwitness

    Why would he need to gaurd it at all? Couldn't he have simply destroyed it? Removed it's "life giving" powers?

    If we were perfect before the "incident" and meant to live forever, why would we need a "tree of life" at all?

    My point is simple, way too many people take this book way to literal without stopping to question "why" they should.

  • simplesally
    simplesally

    According to the WT, the bible writer is Moses. Moses was describing what it appeared to be, not what it actually was. Jehovah did not invent weapons of war so it could not have been a real sword. This was the easiest way to describe what it was.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    The cherubim guardians and the flaming sword are indeed motifs from Near Eastern mythology. In Assyria and Babylonia, the karibu were believed to the guardian deities at the entrances of their sanctuaries and were depicted as griffin or sphinx-like beings. Temples and palaces, as an earthly abode of the gods, were designed as representations of the divine abode in heaven or paradise. In Israelite mythology, the cherubim were wind-demons or personifications of the storm wind on which Yahweh (drawing on metereological Baalist imagery) rides in his storm cloud chariot (Psalms 18:11; 2 Samuel 22:11). In other words, the cherubim were the winged wheels of the divine chariot and Yahweh sits enthroned on them and they comprise Yahweh's means of locomotion (cf. 1 Samuel 4:4; Isaiah 37:16; Psalm 18, 65:12; 68:4; 80:1; 99:1; note also 2 Kings 2:11-12 where the "chariot of fire" brings a "whirlwind"). Their wings symbolize the movement of the winds. According to Ezekiel 28:14-16, they serve as the guardians of Eden and we find the same in Assyrian and Babylonian art which depict winged composite beings standing by the side of the Tree of Life; the figures usually have human heads on animal bodies but sometimes have eagle heads on human bodies. They are shown in the act of fertilizing the date-palm (which serves as the Tree of Life in Sumerian and Akkadian myth and occur as the central tree in temples) by transferring the pollen to the flower. Here again they are personifications of the winds, by whose agency fertilization takes place in nature. As winds, they also have the ability to guard the divine garden by blowing away anyone who does not belong. Depictions of such beings were thus placed at the entrances of Assyrian temples and palaces, and similarly colossal cherubim appeared in Solomon's temple (1 Kings 6:23-25; 8:6) and on the ark of the covenant. Note that in the Eden story, the cherubim were placed at the east entrance to the garden; this is exactly like the later Levites posted as guards at the eastern gate of the tabernacle/temple, who were to strike down any person who encroaches upon forbidden ground (Numbers 1:51-53). As for the fiery sword, this is doubtless related to "the avenging sword of God" that appears in Jeremiah 46:10; Isaiah 34:5; Zephaniah 2:12. It is widely thought that such a sword is related to the weapons of lightning that Marduk and Baal use against the Chaos monster in Babylonian and Canaanite myth. A close parallel can be found in an Assyrian inscription of Tiglath-pileser I which describes the king as a "lightning of bronze" that takes the place of a lahmu or other guardian to the temple. Like the bow that Yahweh lodges into a cloud after the Flood, the sword is probably the same that he used to slay the Chaos monster Leviathan/Rahab at creation (cf. also the Tiamat of the Enuma Elish) and has placed at the entrance to his abode.

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