My last meeting with the elders (page 2)

Odrade

Seattle, thanks for posting some of the particulars. I personally don't think it's silly at all. It's a very good reminder in fact. As xjws we get on here and we hash out so many ideas and fallacies, sometimes we lose sight of the little steps that jumpstarted our critical thinking in the first place. There are always several threads going at any given time, asking for ideas on how to free friends, loved ones, marriage mates, from the decrees (great word btw!) of the WTS. But it's the little denials of logic that really have them locked in.

How many of us who didn't get smacked in the face by lack of love, were able to get out because the WTS blind adherence to a literal interpretation of things like the flood, or Moses' snakes, or the 6 creative days? Evolution?

Wow, I'm very impressed. Good reminders...I'm going to have to think about this. I've been having an ongoing discussion with a family member, my inclination has been to go straight to the hard-core arguments, but now I think I will try to stick to problems with plain logic.

Thanks again,

Odrade

joannadandy

SNG-it may seem simple to you...but for some of us braindead folk, it's not.

I have so gotten over religion I tend to forget why I stopped believing in it. Sometimes it seems so obvious to me. Thus my frustration with my JW-dub parents when we try to discuss why I don't believe the Bible is the word of God.

Thanks for the reminders. They were points I hadn't really considered.

Can I rent you to come talk to my parents?!

Black Sheep

It will be interesting to see how S reacts if he bumps into you sometime, Seatle.

Maybe you could try selling Catrobatic 5000s door to door in his street

nilfun

Yes, very good reminders, I agree. Thanks so much for the details, SeattleNiceGuy.

To this, Z replied, "Well, see, you're...show me the document. You're just making things up. You have to show me the document first."

Erm, okaaaay ( Kinda reminds me of Whitney's "I want to see the receipts" comment )

drwtsn32

SNG:

Thanks for posting the details!! Wow, your reasons are basically a mirror image of my own. I look forward to meeting you soon, either at the Feb meetup or at doodle's apostafest.

nilfun

.oO( I wonder what 'Z' would have done if, in response to his demand, you produced a hefty scroll with all the info painstakingly written out on it in olde worlde calligraphy. heh...Yes, I have a weird imagination )

Keep up the good work SNG

Sassy

Thank you for posting this. I would love to know what things you said to make your point as far as causing doubts possibly in "S"

Gopher

The S's of the JW world are leaving. Soon the place will mainly be run by the CRAY - Z's !!!

The JW organization is becoming a hollow shell of its old self. The outside structure is firmly in place, but there is no real substance there any more. Posts like SNG's prove that.

greven

Dr watson: Wow, your reasons are basically a mirror image of my own.

Same here! I had little problem with doctrines as they were, but rather the silly way the WTS tried to prove those. It was logic all the way for me. My first 'test' if my doubts were justified was looking up all the arguments presented against celebrating birthdays and then one by one shooting them down as unreasonable, conflicting and irrelevant. I even presented this to an elder and he agreed! He however reasoned that this was just a minor detail of our religion (like 'clubrules' he said) and asked if I doubted the fundamental teachings. I replied no, at that time. However the seed was sown and I thought "if the reasoning is so incredibly convulated in details how about the real important ones like the FDS?". I started looking into that and guess what? An even bigger mess.

Greven

pc

Dear SNG, I have read some of your post and you appear bright,warm, and compastionate. I was raised as a JW. My father was the PO for years, then an Elder. My three brothers were all pioneers. My mom was also a fanatic. I was the youngest and never really wanted any part of it. I graduated high school and in the late 70's nobody went to college. I married a fantastic guy outside the "truth". My life has been great. I never felt spiritual at all. The year of 2001 changed everything for me. My mom died from a blood disease(wouldn't accept transfusions). We lost a great friend on Sept 11th. I found out about this strange little church that was starting up in my town. I went because it was at someones house. Up to this time JW's were calling on me to get me back in. When I heard this guy speak I couldn't believe the difference. He made sense, and more than that, I felt better when I left. He never put anyone down. Never spoke bad about people in general. He said in his sermon "if your not getting anything out of this leave and find somewhere else that work's for you". I couldn't believe my ears. Anyway I don't know why I'm going on for so long. My point being is, I have learned to pray. I realize I appear like a religious lunitic, believe me I'm not. I do now think I believe the bible. I been researching and learning more than I have my whole JW life. If God is true than I personally feel pray is the best way to reach him. No organized religion is the answer, just a place to meet people and stay connected. That's how I'm trying to help my family leave the JW's by pray. I don't know why but it seems to be at least helping a bit. My brother who is an Elder and really has no life outside the organiztion, actually came to my home with his wife on Cristmas Eve. We did not discuss anything religious just enjoyed the dinner together. I was totally blown away that he agreed to come. So who knows maybe praying works. I'm sorry I have go on for so long. Just wanted to write after reading your posts. PC

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