Is this Islam?

Sirona

I'm always willing to give a religion a chance, especially when I don't know much about it. Does this represent Islam's view of women?

Eyebrow2

for some on the fanatical side it might.

I do not know a lot about islam...but what i have learned is like any other religion, you have your extremes.

dothemath

Hi Sirona..........looking at some of Islam's beliefs do make Witnesses look a little less controversial.......

Islam is full of do's and don'ts...........shows what can happen when trying to live by a rigid code.....which will never keep up to changing world conditions, as opposed to living by principles......which never go out of date.

peacefulpete

What part of that is different from the Wt councel for women? It's a mirror image.

CruithneLaLuna

I just read a book on Islam, The Islamic Threat : Myth or Reality by John L. Esposito. The author urges Western culture toward a more balanced view of Islam. He makes the point that on many issues, most of the negatives attributed to Islam were also characteristic of Christianity and Judaism until relatively recently, when "reinterpretations" allowed those religions to be compatible with modern ideas and values, like capitalism and democracy. (If I go into the pros and cons of capitalism and democracy in pracice, I'll do it elsewhere....)

Modernist interpretations of the Quran include these ideas: "the Quranic ideal (Quran 4:3 and 4:129) was in fact monogamy, since the Quran's permission for more than one wife was contingent upon equal justice and impartiality, both of which were a practical impossibility. [This] interpretation was adopted by most [19th- and 20th-century] Islamic reformers."

"Qasim Amin (1863 - 1908) ... denounced the subjugation of Muslim women as un-Islamic and a major cause for the deterioration of the family and society. ... He argued the equality of the sexes in in Islam, denounced vieiling and social seclusion as un-Islamic, criticized the ills of arranged marriages, and a male's unfettered right to divorce and a wife's inability to do so."

All of that said, it would appear that even liberal Islam currently tends to lag behind the West in terms of according "equality of the sexes."

Like the Bible, the Quran includes a strict code of sexual morality, to which literalists feel required to adhere.

I think/feel that it is very important to strive for a balanced understanding of Islam, esp. since our culture currently tends to embrace and propagate a negatively-biased and distorted perception. If you want a good overall understanding, read this book - preferably more than once. I don't think I've quite gotten the full picture, after reading it once. The short version of its conclusion is that Muslim culture is very diverse and complex, and no stereotype can possibly do it justice.

George

Muslim

sphere (loved the part about hell being mostly filled with women, that should really get the girls to watch their P's and Q's)

You see Muhammed (pbuh) was a good shepard, he new what his sheep will encounter when they progress and move into the 19 century what sort of woman will be around, I mean when he said the most woman will be hell, he for saw the feature, he made a prophecy, he didnt say that the woman will be in hell because they are woman but because of there deeds. Look at the civilised Western culture, a woman has to get naked, strip to her skin and lay down naked on top of the car in various sexually stimulating poses, and then the farari sells good, pornoghraphy, woman, lesbianism is on increase, and gayism but compared to the men woman sell there bodies for dollars in the pron films, they dont only show there civilisedness to one man but whole films have been made, and internet is the mother of female pornoghraphy. Its doing of the woman sex with dogs, pigs, donkey, horses, and anything that moves woman do it in porn films and they are the mothers of such sickness spreading across the world, and this sickness is rising, only because of woman. Stupid backward Taliban uncivilised bunch, i mean how dare they prohibt woman from sex with donkeys and dogs, how dare they tell a woman to cover her body, while the educated liberated, civilised, advanced man and woman have europe and have sex with donkeys pigs, how dare the stupid taliban to ban woman from watching porn, and from wearing tight clothes, while the educated and liberated people of west allow their daughters, wives, sisters, mothers to wear the skimpiest shirts and the tightest jeans abaliable so there sexual ornaments can be clearly seen, and thier jiggling breast and nipples can be seen, these taliban are surely stupid, backward, unsoficticated, uneducated, and talibans oppression just doesnt stop there, but we have to admire the liberated woman of west, they truely are liberated, and taliban woman oppressed, hip! hip! hurray! to the liberated woman of west, hip hip hurray!

You brainless, mindless, braindead, Western zumbies, do you every use your brain, i get sick of your stupidity, just tell me when Jesus comes back on the second comming, who wuld he join, how will his daughter dress up like, how will his wife dress up like, i guess they will all sit with jesus and watch late night films and wear short skirts and wear the skimpiest, thinnest shirts so there breasts will be visiable, who would be his role model, porn seller? or someone like Talibani? Who would his daugters want to fallow, pamela aderson, or Britni spears, or Jennifer lopez, or a Taliban woman, what would his daughter do go out and chill out with studs and get drunk, and live the american dream? Now you sick people think over what i have said, i know it will hurt your bride, and this message will be stabbing in your heart but you should not judge, because ye shall be judged with the same measure ye meet.

Sorry i strayed so far away from the topic, but i just wanted to get many different things into this, so you can think why the woman will be the majority in hell, think of all i wrote here and you will know that why the woman will be in hell and their what actions will cause this entry in hell.

These are the few words of wisdom for those who understand.

Ali

gitasatsangha

Considering Muhammed was a pedophile who married a six year old girl and had sex with her when she was nine (Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari), it's no wonder he came up with such golden gem's of instruction on women as these:

"Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought, so the Prophet (Muhammad) exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places. He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa', the tribe of 'Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina."
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 5:59:362)

"Omar reported from the Holy Prophet who said, 'No man shall be questioned for beating his wife.'"
(Al Hadis, Vol. 1, p. 215)

"Prophet (Muhammad) said: 'Do not stone the adulteress who is pregnant until she has had her child.' After the birth she was put into a ditch up to her chest and the Prophet commanded them to stone her. Khalid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and he cursed her. The gentle Prophet prayed over her and she was buried."'

And some more gems from Islam.

"Prophet said: 'When the slave runs away from his master, his prayer is not accepted; he is an infidel.'"
(Hadith No. Muslim 32)

"Prophet said: 'Then go to the persons who do not join the congregational prayer and order their homes to be burnt...'"
(Hadith No. Muslim 234)

"Narrated Anas: 'Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the camels of charity and to drink their milk and urine. They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die.'"
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 8:82:794)

Wallflower

Quotes from Ayatollah Khomeini:

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.

It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.

A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.

(Quotes above are from Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990,

'Nuff said.